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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby chicoalto0649 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 4:44 pm

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http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202459294285&Fordham_Ls_Talk_About_Struggle_for_Summer_Jobs


Paging OperaSoprano- come cheer us up!


Last fall, in the weeks leading up to the interviews, the students say, they began to get a "sense of impending doom," as Brian puts it. Every day, it seemed, they got e-mails from Fordham saying this firm wasn't coming or that firm would be hiring only a handful of students. An atmosphere of desperation developed. "It's like, 'I'll babysit your kids, I'll pick up your laundry, whatever it takes, just give me a job,' " says Brian.

That "whatever it takes" attitude turned a position known as the "morning greeter" -- a student who literally greets the interviewer on his way into the building and walks him to his interviewing seat -- into a coveted spot. "It's the most ridiculous job. In past years, no one wanted to do it," says Brian. This year, there was a waiting list for the spots. Brian pauses, throws back some more of his drink, then continues, "But this year it was a chance to get more face time with a live person from a firm. Supposedly some of the greeters got interviews."

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby kaydish21 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 6:25 pm

Articles like that scare the crap out of me and really make me question the wisdom in not going to lower ranked schools with a scholarship.

Yikes.

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby sibley » Sat Jun 05, 2010 8:19 pm

kaydish21 wrote:Articles like that scare the crap out of me and really make me question the wisdom in not going to lower ranked schools with a scholarship.

Yikes.



what about the wisdom of not going to a higher ranked school elsewhere? I read that not t20 is often sol... that's what the interview about that law conference said anyway.

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby fitzgerald86 » Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:28 am

FWIW, I've heard that employment prospects are better for 2012, so I'd assume (or at least hope) 2013 will be in better shape too. 2010-11 is graduating at a terrible time.

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby badpixie » Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:02 am

kaydish21 wrote:Articles like that scare the crap out of me and really make me question the wisdom in not going to lower ranked schools with a scholarship.

Yikes.


Yeah, I'm struggling with the same thing. I have no interest in big law, so I'm starting to think that I'm crazy to take on so much student loan debt when I've got much bigger scholarship offers at lower ranked schools. *sigh*

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby txhorn » Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:29 am

Why aren't they calling?!!! Why?!

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby H. E. Pennypacker » Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:36 am

Fingers crossed for some good news in the coming days for you guys!!!

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby sibley » Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:32 am

badpixie wrote:
kaydish21 wrote:Articles like that scare the crap out of me and really make me question the wisdom in not going to lower ranked schools with a scholarship.

Yikes.


Yeah, I'm struggling with the same thing. I have no interest in big law, so I'm starting to think that I'm crazy to take on so much student loan debt when I've got much bigger scholarship offers at lower ranked schools. *sigh*


two words. egg donation.

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby nygrrrl » Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:33 am

H. E. Pennypacker wrote:Fingers crossed for some good news in the coming days for you guys!!!

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby Cardboardbox » Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:37 am

You guys make me feel happy :D

I'm really hoping that me and e2f get in, I really want to be part of a kick ass incoming class :D

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby badpixie » Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:24 pm

sibley wrote:
badpixie wrote:
kaydish21 wrote:Articles like that scare the crap out of me and really make me question the wisdom in not going to lower ranked schools with a scholarship.

Yikes.


Yeah, I'm struggling with the same thing. I have no interest in big law, so I'm starting to think that I'm crazy to take on so much student loan debt when I've got much bigger scholarship offers at lower ranked schools. *sigh*


two words. egg donation.


two more words: middle age :(

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby nygrrrl » Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:34 pm

Cardboardbox wrote:You guys make me feel happy :D

I'm really hoping that me and e2f get in, I really want to be part of a kick ass incoming class :D

THIS ALSO +1000000000000000000000000000000000000000

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby OperaSoprano » Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:54 pm

chicoalto0649 wrote:--ImageRemoved--


http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202459294285&Fordham_Ls_Talk_About_Struggle_for_Summer_Jobs


Paging OperaSoprano- come cheer us up!


Last fall, in the weeks leading up to the interviews, the students say, they began to get a "sense of impending doom," as Brian puts it. Every day, it seemed, they got e-mails from Fordham saying this firm wasn't coming or that firm would be hiring only a handful of students. An atmosphere of desperation developed. "It's like, 'I'll babysit your kids, I'll pick up your laundry, whatever it takes, just give me a job,' " says Brian.

That "whatever it takes" attitude turned a position known as the "morning greeter" -- a student who literally greets the interviewer on his way into the building and walks him to his interviewing seat -- into a coveted spot. "It's the most ridiculous job. In past years, no one wanted to do it," says Brian. This year, there was a waiting list for the spots. Brian pauses, throws back some more of his drink, then continues, "But this year it was a chance to get more face time with a live person from a firm. Supposedly some of the greeters got interviews."


Hi guys! (that dog is the cutest, btw.) My dad was visiting this weekend, so I haven't been on TLS. It is absolutely true that the class of 2011 (the people surveyed in that article) suffered a lot. They were the first class to do OCI after the economy went south (the '08 EIW happened on the cusp of the recession, just before people knew how bad it was going to get, but by the next summer, it was common knowledge.) The good news is that only a tiny percentage of firms have anyone deferred past 2011. This means that when hiring really picks up, the class of 2013 will probably be where firms go to collect people. We don't know how substantially hiring will be up, but the consensus from current associates seems to be that things are moving again already. (Someone told me that recruiters had started calling, which they hadn't done for a while.)

My family is encouraging me to stay part time because of the economy, which is something I hadn't originally planned to do. We have records going back some time at our CPC office, and a return to pre-bubble hiring (IE, say, 2004 numbers) would still see Fordham placing at least top third in large firm jobs. Even ITE, the school has a really impressive number of employers coming to 2010 EIW. I just received all my OCI materials and have been looking them over. I don't want to tell you things were great for the class of 2011 (they weren't), but reading over our historical data, I am impressed with Fordham's placement strength in years past. Biglaw shed thousands of associate positions, and when the work comes back (we are tied to the health of Wall Street in that regard), if the past is any guide at all, firms will be back for more Fordham students.

I would bet on 2013 (next summer's OCI) seeing significant increases, but this is just based on my personal research. I encourage everyone to get out and talk to practicing lawyers, and see what they predict about increased hiring, and when we will see it. There are certain firms that have always loved Fordham students, and you'll be able to see how many offers they extended from year to year if you enroll here and sign up for OCI. It's fascinating information, and it gives me data points to think about. I remain cautiously hopeful. The death of biglaw has been predicted many times, but it has not yet come to pass.

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby txhorn » Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:02 pm

Is the 2012 class going to have it decent?

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby rockthelaw » Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:23 pm

nygrrrl wrote:
H. E. Pennypacker wrote:Fingers crossed for some good news in the coming days for you guys!!!

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+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001

There, I win.

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby GermX » Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:27 pm

Nah

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby nygrrrl » Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:30 pm

rockthelaw wrote:
nygrrrl wrote:
H. E. Pennypacker wrote:Fingers crossed for some good news in the coming days for you guys!!!

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000


+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001

There, I win.

LOL Sqcvirrel. As long as we get them in..... :mrgreen:

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby H. E. Pennypacker » Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:42 pm

rockthelaw wrote:
nygrrrl wrote:
H. E. Pennypacker wrote:Fingers crossed for some good news in the coming days for you guys!!!

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000


+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001

There, I win.


Outed as a gunner.

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby rockthelaw » Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:47 pm

H. E. Pennypacker wrote:
rockthelaw wrote:
nygrrrl wrote:
H. E. Pennypacker wrote:Fingers crossed for some good news in the coming days for you guys!!!

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000


+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001

There, I win.


Outed as a gunner.


At least my mother isn't a matron. :D

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby H. E. Pennypacker » Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:49 pm

rockthelaw wrote:
H. E. Pennypacker wrote:
rockthelaw wrote:
+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001

There, I win.


Outed as a gunner.


At least my mother isn't a matron. :D


Babs is a saint!

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby chicoalto0649 » Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:49 pm

Going to scope out a place on 73rd and Columbus (11 blocks from school!) Already fell in love it after a google map street view looksie.
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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby H. E. Pennypacker » Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:53 pm

chicoalto0649 wrote:
Going to scope out a place on 73rd and Columbus (11 blocks from school!) Already fell in love it after a google map street view looksie.


That's a great area. Good Luck.

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby chicoalto0649 » Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:03 pm

H. E. Pennypacker wrote:
chicoalto0649 wrote:
Going to scope out a place on 73rd and Columbus (11 blocks from school!) Already fell in love it after a google map street view looksie.


That's a great area. Good Luck.



Its in a brownstone with 3 other roomies and 1 bathroom (ruh-roh). But on the other hand its 1/2 the price of living in the dorm and only a few more blocks uptown....seems too good to pass up.

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby nygrrrl » Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:09 pm

H. E. Pennypacker wrote:
chicoalto0649 wrote:
Going to scope out a place on 73rd and Columbus (11 blocks from school!) Already fell in love it after a google map street view looksie.


That's a great area. Good Luck.

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby OperaSoprano » Mon Jun 07, 2010 6:10 pm

txhorn wrote:Is the 2012 class going to have it decent?


We hope so! No one knows yet...

BTW, my roommate is moving in August. One of my friends is thinking of moving in, but she's not sure if she'll be in New York. I just wanted to give you guys a heads up that the vacancy might be happening, since I know people are beginning to apartment hunt. We live in the most gorgeous brownstone six blocks from campus and a block from Central Park, and it's cheaper than the dorms even after factoring in utilities. I think it would be cool to live with another law student. If you want details, PM me.




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