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badpixie wrote:

greg11a wrote:I have a message on my home phone from Fordham, would they call with bad news? I am sure its too late to call them back now. Why they have that number I dont know, every other application has my cell number.

It seems like they are calling with acceptances this week. I haven't heard of anyone receiving call with bad news. Good luck!!

Thanks!!

I just tried calling to no avail, they must hit the road at 5pm. I can't believe they would come back with a response this quickly. I guess I can wait another day since its only been 2 months.

greg11a wrote:

badpixie wrote:

greg11a wrote:I have a message on my home phone from Fordham, would they call with bad news? I am sure its too late to call them back now. Why they have that number I dont know, every other application has my cell number.

It seems like they are calling with acceptances this week. I haven't heard of anyone receiving call with bad news. Good luck!!

Thanks!!

I just tried calling to no avail, they must hit the road at 5pm. I can't believe they would come back with a response this quickly. I guess I can wait another day since its only been 2 months.

I bet you a whole dollar you got in

chicoalto0649 wrote:

greg11a wrote:

badpixie wrote:

greg11a wrote:I have a message on my home phone from Fordham, would they call with bad news? I am sure its too late to call them back now. Why they have that number I dont know, every other application has my cell number.

It seems like they are calling with acceptances this week. I haven't heard of anyone receiving call with bad news. Good luck!!

Thanks!!

I just tried calling to no avail, they must hit the road at 5pm. I can't believe they would come back with a response this quickly. I guess I can wait another day since its only been 2 months.

I bet you a whole dollar you got in

TITCR.

badpixie wrote:

joecane wrote:Where are you guys looking for housing/apartments?

I'll be commuting in from NJ.

I'll be rocking the commute from NJ too. I'm not worried though, I've done it a few times and it's never taken longer than 40 minutes door to door. I'm looking forward to a public transportation commute after driving from home to Newark the past 3 years!

Edited to add Congrats Greg for joining the party!

kaydish21 wrote:

badpixie wrote:

joecane wrote:Where are you guys looking for housing/apartments?

I'll be commuting in from NJ.

I'll be rocking the commute from NJ too. I'm not worried though, I've done it a few times and it's never taken longer than 40 minutes door to door. I'm looking forward to a public transportation commute after driving from home to Newark the past 3 years!

Edited to add Congrats Greg for joining the party!

I am going to try the commute in the next few days. I haven't done it directly to Fordham during regular commuting time. Here's hoping it doesn't make me think twice about Fordham!

does anyone know the procedure for the MacMahon Hall Dorms? I want the dorms, since im from out of the country, but fordham isnt really clear on how to get the dorms.

anyone know, or anyone else interested in the dorms?

chicoalto0649 wrote:

greg11a wrote:

badpixie wrote:

greg11a wrote:I have a message on my home phone from Fordham, would they call with bad news? I am sure its too late to call them back now. Why they have that number I dont know, every other application has my cell number.

It seems like they are calling with acceptances this week. I haven't heard of anyone receiving call with bad news. Good luck!!

Thanks!!

I just tried calling to no avail, they must hit the road at 5pm. I can't believe they would come back with a response this quickly. I guess I can wait another day since its only been 2 months.

I bet you a whole dollar you got in

And you are a dollar richer. It was confirmed this morning by my phone call to admissions. I have been accepted to PT. While I am very excited to have gotten in, as I didnt expect it with my numbers, I am not sure I can justify going to Fordham full price over almost a full scholarship at St Johns. It doesnt seem like it is that much of a difference over St Johns, its not like its T14 or even T20. Biglaw is still a crapshoot from either school.

On a side note, what is the point of the status checker if they are just going to call you anyway. Mine still says complete.

greg11a wrote:




And you are a dollar richer. It was confirmed this morning by my phone call to admissions. I have been accepted to PT. While I am very excited to have gotten in, as I didnt expect it with my numbers, I am not sure I can justify going to Fordham full price over almost a full scholarship at St Johns. It doesnt seem like it is that much of a difference over St Johns, its not like its T14 or even T20. Biglaw is still a crapshoot from either school.

On a side note, what is the point of the status checker if they are just going to call you anyway. Mine still says complete.

do you know if it's hard to keep your scholarship money at st johns? b/c if it is, might as well go to fordham.

I'm pretty sure Saint John's scholarships are conditional on you staying in the top 50% of your class and Brooklyn's are conditional on you staying in the top 40%. Hofstra has a GPA stipulation of 3.2 or something. In my opinion, Saint John's is the best at scholarships of the NY regional schools. That coupled with their recent rise in the rankings and Brooklyn's recent fall, Saint John's is a great choice for many.

greg11a wrote:It doesnt seem like it is that much of a difference over St Johns, its not like its T14 or even T20. Biglaw is still a crapshoot from either school.

I don't know where you get your information, but biglaw is hardly a crapshoot from Fordham: http://law.fordham.edu/career-planning/17281.htm. 50% of c/o 2009 at firms w/101+ attorneys, median salary of c/o 2009 is $160k w/93% reporting.

If I cant stay in the top 50% of the class at St J's, I probably should drop out anyway, as I certainly wont be getting any employment comparable to my current position coming out of the bottom of that school.

greg11a wrote:If I cant stay in the top 50% of the class at St J's, I probably should drop out anyway, as I certainly wont be getting any employment comparable to my current position coming out of the bottom of that school.

Fordham >>>>> St. John's, I can't believe you're even comparing them. On almost every metric, Fordham grads significantly outplace St J's in NYC...

starsong wrote:

greg11a wrote:It doesnt seem like it is that much of a difference over St Johns, its not like its T14 or even T20. Biglaw is still a crapshoot from either school.

I don't know where you get your information, but biglaw is hardly a crapshoot from Fordham: http://law.fordham.edu/career-planning/17281.htm. 50% of c/o 2009 at firms w/101+ attorneys, median salary of c/o 2009 is $160k w/93% reporting.

Considering my numbers are below the range of the LSN graph and that I am part time and will be working full time, I would wager a guess its more than likely I will be below 50% and that we dont even know the breakdown for PT'ers who dont xfer to FT as it could be even worse for them.

starsong wrote:

greg11a wrote:If I cant stay in the top 50% of the class at St J's, I probably should drop out anyway, as I certainly wont be getting any employment comparable to my current position coming out of the bottom of that school.

Fordham >>>>> St. John's, I can't believe you're even comparing them. On almost every metric, Fordham grads significantly outplace St J's in NYC...

I am not questioning that, but does finishing in the bottom at Fordham PT after having paid sticker leave me better off than St Js?

greg11a wrote:If I cant stay in the top 50% of the class at St J's, I probably should drop out anyway, as I certainly wont be getting any employment comparable to my current position coming out of the bottom of that school.

very true, that's what I was thinking as well.

greg11a wrote:I am not questioning that, but does finishing in the bottom at Fordham PT after having paid sticker leave me better off than St Js?

Definitely. Have you taken IBR into account? The fact is, no matter how much you make upon graduation, your payments are capped at 10% of income (well, max cap is 15% but it generally is less than 10%). You're almost certainly going to get a better job from Fordham, no matter where you place in the class. With IBR, I can't understand why anyone would take a scholarship at a significantly lower-ranked school for debt reasons...

Im not sure what IBR is, but I wont be taking out loans for school anyway whether I get a scholly or not, as I am very debt averse. I will be working full time throughout so I will pay for it that way. Although this IBR sounds interesting.

greg11a wrote:Im not sure what IBR is, but I wont be taking out loans for school anyway whether I get a scholly or not. I will be working full time throughout so I will pay for it that way. Although this IBR sounds interesting.

IBR = income-based repayment. Loan payments are capped at a low % of income, so you're OK no matter how much you make. But if you can pay for it with your own money, all the better. The point is, a free J.D. sounds great now, but if you're unemployable at the end, it was just a major waste of time.

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starsong wrote:

greg11a wrote:I am not questioning that, but does finishing in the bottom at Fordham PT after having paid sticker leave me better off than St Js?

Definitely. Have you taken IBR into account? The fact is, no matter how much you make upon graduation, your payments are capped at 10% of income (well, max cap is 15% but it generally is less than 10%). You're almost certainly going to get a better job from Fordham, no matter where you place in the class. With IBR, I can't understand why anyone would take a scholarship at a significantly lower-ranked school for debt reasons...

I don't know if the bold portion is necessarily true. would you be more likely to get a better job from Fordham below 50% than St. Johns when you're in the top 20%?

Also, I don;t think a mid-level tier one is ranked significantly higher than a mid level tier 2. It's not like St. Johns is T3/T4.

I could be wrong though, wouldn't be the first time.

starsong wrote:

greg11a wrote:Im not sure what IBR is, but I wont be taking out loans for school anyway whether I get a scholly or not. I will be working full time throughout so I will pay for it that way. Although this IBR sounds interesting.

IBR = income-based repayment. Loan payments are capped at a low % of income, so you're OK no matter how much you make. But if you can pay for it with your own money, all the better. The point is, a free J.D. sounds great now, but if you're unemployable at the end, it was just a major waste of time.

But you are still getting banged for all the interest as you make these low payments? I dont even like taking out loans on cars.

I understand your point about being umemployable - that would certainly be a colossal waste of time even if I stayed in my current position after graduation. But 4 years from now, wouldnt I get something decent from St Js if I was top 30%? I understand Fordham is better than St Js, I just dont know if its THAT much better to justify the full price difference, especially when the competition will be harder as well.

H. E. Pennypacker wrote:

starsong wrote:

greg11a wrote:I am not questioning that, but does finishing in the bottom at Fordham PT after having paid sticker leave me better off than St Js?

Definitely. Have you taken IBR into account? The fact is, no matter how much you make upon graduation, your payments are capped at 10% of income (well, max cap is 15% but it generally is less than 10%). You're almost certainly going to get a better job from Fordham, no matter where you place in the class. With IBR, I can't understand why anyone would take a scholarship at a significantly lower-ranked school for debt reasons...

I don't know if the bold portion is necessarily true. would you be more likely to get a better job from Fordham below 50% than St. Johns when you're in the top 20%?

Also, I don;t think a mid-level tier one is ranked significantly higher than a mid level tier 2. It's not like St. Johns is T3/T4.

I could be wrong though, wouldn't be the first time.

The problem is assuming you'll make top 20% at St. Johns. Theoretically, anything's possible--top 1% at St J could maybe be better than bottom 25% at NYU--but you can't think that way, because you have no idea where you'll end up. No matter where you come out at Fordham, you're almost certainly going to get a better job--that's just a fact. Look at where Fordham alumni work.

greg11a wrote:

starsong wrote:

greg11a wrote:Im not sure what IBR is, but I wont be taking out loans for school anyway whether I get a scholly or not. I will be working full time throughout so I will pay for it that way. Although this IBR sounds interesting.

IBR = income-based repayment. Loan payments are capped at a low % of income, so you're OK no matter how much you make. But if you can pay for it with your own money, all the better. The point is, a free J.D. sounds great now, but if you're unemployable at the end, it was just a major waste of time.

But you are still getting banged for all the interest as you make these low payments? I dont even like taking out loans on cars.

I understand your point about being umemployable - that would certainly be a colossal waste of time even if I stayed in my current position after graduation. But 4 years from now, wouldnt I get something decent from St Js if I was top 30%? I understand Fordham is better than St Js, I just dont know if its THAT much better to justify the full price difference, especially when the competition will be harder as well.

Again, how do you know you'll make top 30% at St Js? I would be careful with assumptions like that, LS has a way of surprising you.

Agreed, but on that same token, who is to say I will get top 50% at Fordham, which is where I would need to be to get the most benefits of that degree.

Greg,
How long did they give you to decide?