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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby finalaspects » Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:45 pm

logitech wrote:
finalaspects wrote:From the looks of it on LSN... fordham is definitely trying to up their median. Only accepted 167+ LSAT and higher so far.


I noticed this as well. I have a feeling they are trying to get a little closer to a 168-170 school. With the amount of applicants they will most likely receive, they can certainly increase the median this year.


That's the thing though. Since LSAT is a standardized test, only a certain amount of people can get a score of 168 or better. More people who take the LSAT means more people who score 168 or higher but how much more can that be?

As someone else has said in this forum before, there can be an unlimited amount of people getting a GPA of 3.8 but only a certain amount of people can ever receive a score of 168 or better. 4% of test takers to be exact in a given year. That's about 5,000-6,000 people though so i guess its more than enough.

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby superflush » Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:58 pm

finalaspects wrote:That's the thing though. Since LSAT is a standardized test, only a certain amount of people can get a score of 168 or better.


wrong

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby jk11287 » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:01 pm

finalaspects wrote:From the looks of it on LSN... fordham is definitely trying to up their median. Only accepted 167+ LSAT and higher so far.

I'm 169...and no acceptance yet :-(

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby finalaspects » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:08 pm

superflush wrote:
finalaspects wrote:That's the thing though. Since LSAT is a standardized test, only a certain amount of people can get a score of 168 or better.


wrong


Ok... it's possible for everyone who takes the LSAT to score a 170.

What matters is what the score is percentile wise, only a certain amount of people will be in the 96% percentile range which is what 168 was in the last few exams i believe.

I'm guessing from the lack of explanation on why its wrong that you scored less then a 168... but correct me if im wrong.
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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby Columbia Law » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:09 pm

Got in last year around this time. 11/10 I think.

174/4.1

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby superflush » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:14 pm

finalaspects wrote:What matters is what the score is percentile wise, only a certain amount of people will be in the 96% percentile range which is what 168 was in the last few exams i believe.


That is debatable?
Do you think that the curve is determined on test day?

The important thing is, however, that there are enough people out there with high LSAT scores applying to Fordham that they can accept. However, a lot of them will choose to go to higher ranked schools than Fordham. It makes sense that they are only letting in the highest applicants right now. They can wait to the EA notification deadline for others, and even defer people to the regular cycle as well. It isn't like we can draw clear conclusions from seeing who is getting into Fordham right away. The cycle is long and there are a lot of factors that come into play down the line. And of course Fordham is going to want to have their medians as high as they can and get as high as they can in the rankings.

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby RubyDoomsday » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:20 pm

Blech, I am now totally conivnced I am getting WL...

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby finalaspects » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:20 pm

superflush wrote:That is debatable?
Do you think that the curve is determined on test day?

The important thing is, however, that there are enough people out there with high LSAT scores applying to Fordham that they can accept. However, a lot of them will choose to go to higher ranked schools than Fordham. It makes sense that they are only letting in the highest applicants right now. They can wait to the EA notification deadline for others, and even defer people to the regular cycle as well. It isn't like we can draw clear conclusions from seeing who is getting into Fordham right away. The cycle is long and there are a lot of factors that come into play down the line. And of course Fordham is going to want to have their medians as high as they can and get as high as they can in the rankings.


You are absolutely right. If i recall correctly, the curve is set before the test is administered. And I also agree that schools will try to accept all the highest ranked scores first in hopes that they attend that school. But schools also reject very high numbers knowing that they will not attend that school.

We cannot draw clear conclusions of who will attend Fordham, but we can see from LSN a small sample of the numbers that Fordham is accepting. And im guessing it's part of a larger trend on their part.

I am not saying that you will not get in, or anyone else for that matter. I might not get accepted as well. Just that there are fewer higher ranked LSAT scores than there are high GPA's.

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby theonemind » Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:58 pm

I have sinking feeling my 166/3.4x is landing me on the waitlist or getting me a rejection.

Good luck to everyone...hope we hear soon.

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby MC Southstar » Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:02 pm

I'd say from looking at their LSN graph, they are building the foundations of fortress green. I'd speculate that it's closer to the high end, based on the timing of decisions made.

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby superflush » Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:06 pm

shadowfrost000 wrote:I'd say from looking at their LSN graph, they are building the foundations of fortress green. I'd speculate that it's closer to the high end, based on the timing of decisions made.


huh

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby MC Southstar » Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:08 pm

superflush wrote:
shadowfrost000 wrote:I'd say from looking at their LSN graph, they are building the foundations of fortress green. I'd speculate that it's closer to the high end, based on the timing of decisions made.


huh


Lol, Fordham is one of those schools that has a pretty well defined border between accepts and waitlists. If you compare between this year and the last, you'll see that it resembles the same shape, but just less populated. Just making a stab at it. It's like a U shaped curve in the top right with vertical and horizontal continuations, in other words, like a rounded corner. WUSTL, for example, forms more of a wall, and UPenn, in comparison, is a mess.

Also, in some schools like UC Hastings, you'll see that there is an obvious upper boundary to the curve, with the field of YP waitlists.
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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby finalaspects » Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:09 pm

shadowfrost000 wrote:I'd say from looking at their LSN graph, they are building the foundations of fortress green. I'd speculate that it's closer to the high end, based on the timing of decisions made.


i concur

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby MC Southstar » Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:11 pm

finalaspects wrote:
shadowfrost000 wrote:I'd say from looking at their LSN graph, they are building the foundations of fortress green. I'd speculate that it's closer to the high end, based on the timing of decisions made.


i concur


reminds me of that movie where all the doctors concur with each other. Can't remember it now though.

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby finalaspects » Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:13 pm

shadowfrost000 wrote:
finalaspects wrote:
shadowfrost000 wrote:I'd say from looking at their LSN graph, they are building the foundations of fortress green. I'd speculate that it's closer to the high end, based on the timing of decisions made.


i concur


reminds me of that movie where all the doctors concur with each other. Can't remember it now though.


lol i don't either but i copied it from a movie myself. we must be talking about the same movie

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby nymets123 » Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:14 pm

finalaspects wrote:
shadowfrost000 wrote:
finalaspects wrote:
shadowfrost000 wrote:I'd say from looking at their LSN graph, they are building the foundations of fortress green. I'd speculate that it's closer to the high end, based on the timing of decisions made.


i concur


reminds me of that movie where all the doctors concur with each other. Can't remember it now though.


lol i don't either but i copied it from a movie myself. we must be talking about the same movie


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lge2_H_8IQ

haha either way

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby miche1esim » Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:15 pm

finalaspects wrote:
shadowfrost000 wrote:
finalaspects wrote:
shadowfrost000 wrote:I'd say from looking at their LSN graph, they are building the foundations of fortress green. I'd speculate that it's closer to the high end, based on the timing of decisions made.


i concur


reminds me of that movie where all the doctors concur with each other. Can't remember it now though.


lol i don't either but i copied it from a movie myself. we must be talking about the same movie



catch me if you can (the one with leonardo dicaprio and tom hanks)
one of my favorite scenes in the movie

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby MC Southstar » Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:16 pm

nymets123 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lge2_H_8IQ

haha either way


LOL, this show was before my time, but that was pretty hilarious.

catch me if you can (the one with leonardo dicaprio and tom hanks)
one of my favorite scenes in the movie


And yeah, that was it. :)
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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby superflush » Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:16 pm

miche1esim wrote:catch me if you can (the one with leonardo dicaprio and tom hanks)
one of my favorite scenes in the movie


ya, what I was going to say.

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby RubyDoomsday » Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:43 pm

theonemind wrote:I have sinking feeling my 166/3.4x is landing me on the waitlist or getting me a rejection.

Good luck to everyone...hope we hear soon.


Same feeling, but I doubt it will get us rejected more likely waitlisted

Because, with the exception of the splitters, a good chunk of the 167+ crowd will probably get into other schools, those over 170 NYU or Columbia, so it would really behove Fordham to waitlist 165, 166, 167 and just wait to see what the 167-172 crowd does before nixing people who are not really going to drag down the median that much.

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby valley splitter » Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:04 am

theonemind wrote:I have sinking feeling my 166/3.4x is landing me on the waitlist or getting me a rejection.

Good luck to everyone...hope we hear soon.


if it makes you feel any better you've got way more chance than this lowly 163/2.53 ex-partying-all-the-time-then-lying-by-the-pool guy...

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby finalaspects » Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:31 am

RubyDoomsday wrote:
theonemind wrote:I have sinking feeling my 166/3.4x is landing me on the waitlist or getting me a rejection.

Good luck to everyone...hope we hear soon.


Same feeling, but I doubt it will get us rejected more likely waitlisted

Because, with the exception of the splitters, a good chunk of the 167+ crowd will probably get into other schools, those over 170 NYU or Columbia, so it would really behove Fordham to waitlist 165, 166, 167 and just wait to see what the 167-172 crowd does before nixing people who are not really going to drag down the median that much.


yea, as a splitter with a 3.1 gpa, i'm not without the sinking feeling either. it's driving me nuts just waiting for decision... i wonder what being waitlisted will do to me..

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby RubyDoomsday » Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:34 am

finalaspects wrote:
RubyDoomsday wrote:
theonemind wrote:I have sinking feeling my 166/3.4x is landing me on the waitlist or getting me a rejection.

Good luck to everyone...hope we hear soon.


Same feeling, but I doubt it will get us rejected more likely waitlisted

Because, with the exception of the splitters, a good chunk of the 167+ crowd will probably get into other schools, those over 170 NYU or Columbia, so it would really behove Fordham to waitlist 165, 166, 167 and just wait to see what the 167-172 crowd does before nixing people who are not really going to drag down the median that much.


yea, as a splitter with a 3.1 gpa, i'm not without the sinking feeling either. it's driving me nuts just waiting for decision... i wonder what being waitlisted will do to me..


The sad part is I felt pretty good about my chances even at 50-70% before...now I feel like I was silly to have such expectations

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby Unadilla Kayaker » Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:40 am

First, congrats to all who got in!

I agree, the numbers are a little discouraging to those under 167 but people get in off the wait list and if your numbers are good enough for the Fordham waitlist you will get into many similarly ranked schools as well as probably BLS and Cardozo with some money (of course it all depends, but this assumes you are on the FLS wait list).

Its still very early and don't forget that surprises may be in store!

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Re: Fordham Waiting Room

Postby finalaspects » Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:02 am

RubyDoomsday wrote:The sad part is I felt pretty good about my chances even at 50-70% before...now I feel like I was silly to have such expectations


Most of the law schools have only accepted those who will most likely get accepted to even higher ranked schools. Nothing to be worried as of yet especially if you have a 50-70% chance. Most people accepted are above their medians and probably offered them money as well to try and entice them.

They'll start accepting what is normally their median soon. Plus even if they some how get their 75% lsat and gpa to be their new medians, half the people who get accepted must be lower then that. It is still way too early to worry tremendously. Come February/March, that is when the real waitlisting should happen.
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