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klk wrote:So I just checked my status checker and I was denied. Have no idea why with a 169 and 3.678, unless it's some fucked up version of YP. I'm pretty devastated actually, it was my best shot at NYC. Best of luck to the rest of you.

im really sorry. that is really a shocker. i have no idea why........ maybe contact Dean Brown?

I have no idea what I would say, especially this early. There's still a possibility I'll get into another school I want to go to, but now I'm not so sure...

klk wrote:I have no idea what I would say, especially this early. There's still a possibility I'll get into another school I want to go to, but now I'm not so sure...

Maybe just ask if there was anything in particular that hurt your app so you can perhaps correct it for other schools. That is really strange, but I'm sure your numbers will get you into somewhere sweet.

I'm really bummed for those getting bad news but I am sure everyone will wind up somewhere great, and where they were meant to be!

all these people that you would think would get in seem to be WL/denied... definitely YP seems to be going on here.

Also, Fordham likes bragging about the prestige of the UG of the entering class... this is really obnoxious, but do you think there is more to the numbers and they are evaluating what they think of peoples' UG institutions or something? b/c they want to put together a class of brag-able UG institutions? i don't like that strain of thought, but thought i'd throw it out there given the acceptances/WL/denials.

oh man my heart trembles every time i log into status checker.

klk wrote:So I just checked my status checker and I was denied. Have no idea why with a 169 and 3.678, unless it's some fucked up version of YP. I'm pretty devastated actually, it was my best shot at NYC. Best of luck to the rest of you.

Wow, I'm sorry. You'll definitely get into other T30s and you have a shot at the T14 with those numbers though. Did you apply to Cornell? My stats are quite similar (though slightly worse), so this decision really comes as a surprise to me and has me worried about Fordham...

ndirish2010 wrote:

klk wrote:So I just checked my status checker and I was denied. Have no idea why with a 169 and 3.678, unless it's some fucked up version of YP. I'm pretty devastated actually, it was my best shot at NYC. Best of luck to the rest of you.

Wow, I'm sorry. You'll definitely get into other T30s and you have a shot at the T14 with those numbers though. Did you apply to Cornell? My stats are quite similar (though slightly worse), so this decision really comes as a surprise to me and has me worried about Fordham...

I did, Fordham is only the 2nd school I've heard back from so this was a real surprise for me. It seems atypical for people with our numbers, so I bet you'll have better luck than me. Hope the rest of your cycle goes well though!

OperaSoprano wrote:

flowylime wrote: thanks! best of luck to you! i originally applied part time. i have no reason as to why i was pulled off the waitlist before they are done accepting people, so everyone's guesses are as good as mine.

Congrats! Fordham just has its own timeline. They weren't even done accepting nonwaitlisted applicants when they let me in May 1st, and not everyone was happy about it. I do know they are under pressure to get 164s and 165s for PT, so anyone with those numbers and under a 3.5 should immediately request PT consideration.

I was accepted with a 164 but will likely withdraw my acceptance because of the massive debt I would be taking on. Is it possible to ask to change my FT admission to a PT with some money or is that ridiculous?

do they mail out waitlists or just status checker? If they do, how much after the status checker do they usually send it out?

mps wrote: Also, Fordham likes bragging about the prestige of the UG of the entering class... this is really obnoxious, but do you think there is more to the numbers and they are evaluating what they think of peoples' UG institutions or something? b/c they want to put together a class of brag-able UG institutions? i don't like that strain of thought, but thought i'd throw it out there given the acceptances/WL/denials.

oh man my heart trembles every time i log into status checker.

Yeah, I'm sure you've seen this page on their Web site: http://law.fordham.edu/about-fordham/5239.htm

motloe wrote:do they mail out waitlists or just status checker? If they do, how much after the status checker do they usually send it out?

I was waitlisted 12/07 via status checker and didn't get my waitlist form in the mail until 12/24. So, I'd guess it takes about two weeks to get the waitlist form in the mail.

rockthelaw wrote:

mps wrote: Also, Fordham likes bragging about the prestige of the UG of the entering class... this is really obnoxious, but do you think there is more to the numbers and they are evaluating what they think of peoples' UG institutions or something? b/c they want to put together a class of brag-able UG institutions? i don't like that strain of thought, but thought i'd throw it out there given the acceptances/WL/denials.

oh man my heart trembles every time i log into status checker.

Yeah, I'm sure you've seen this page on their Web site: http://law.fordham.edu/about-fordham/5239.htm

but there list isn't just TOP schools. i doubt fordham can afford to be so elitist.

edited because i said something incorrect hehe

Another day, another pre-ulcerous stomach ache.
*sigh*

AlanShore wrote:

rockthelaw wrote:

mps wrote: Also, Fordham likes bragging about the prestige of the UG of the entering class... this is really obnoxious, but do you think there is more to the numbers and they are evaluating what they think of peoples' UG institutions or something? b/c they want to put together a class of brag-able UG institutions? i don't like that strain of thought, but thought i'd throw it out there given the acceptances/WL/denials.

oh man my heart trembles every time i log into status checker.

Yeah, I'm sure you've seen this page on their Web site: http://law.fordham.edu/about-fordham/5239.htm

but there list isn't just TOP schools. i doubt fordham can afford to be so elitist.

edited because i said something incorrect hehe

You're right: The institutions listed on that site are not all TOP top schools. I would argue, though, that they are all well-known and respected. 6/10 are top 25 undergraduate schools, while the others are ranked 27th (Michigan) through 61 (Fordham).

Also, maybe they are not only interested in the undergraduate institution, but the fact that students from these institutions have historically done well at Fordham Law? When I met with someone in the admissions office and she asked where I went to school (one of the top 25 "feeder schools for Fordham), she said, "Wonderful. Students from your school have always done well and enjoyed their time here." I understand that is just one piece of evidence.

Just a thought.

rockthelaw wrote:

AlanShore wrote:

rockthelaw wrote:

mps wrote: Also, Fordham likes bragging about the prestige of the UG of the entering class... this is really obnoxious, but do you think there is more to the numbers and they are evaluating what they think of peoples' UG institutions or something? b/c they want to put together a class of brag-able UG institutions? i don't like that strain of thought, but thought i'd throw it out there given the acceptances/WL/denials.

oh man my heart trembles every time i log into status checker.

Yeah, I'm sure you've seen this page on their Web site: http://law.fordham.edu/about-fordham/5239.htm

but there list isn't just TOP schools. i doubt fordham can afford to be so elitist.

edited because i said something incorrect hehe

You're right: The institutions listed on that site are not all TOP top schools. I would argue, though, that they are all well-known and respected. 6/10 are top 25 undergraduate schools, while the others are ranked 27th (Michigan) through 61 (Fordham).

Also, maybe they are not only interested in the undergraduate institution, but the fact that students from these institutions have historically done well at Fordham Law? When I met with someone in the admissions office and she asked where I went to school (one of the top 25 "feeder schools for Fordham), she said, "Wonderful. Students from your school have always done well and enjoyed their time here." I understand that is just one piece of evidence.

Just a thought.

Interesting. you're right but I'd also argue that many law school students are from pretty well respected schools for a number of reasons (top schools probably imply you know how to do well in school or can score higher on LSAT, etc).

I go to one of those feeder schools too. Hopefully that means good news for us.

AlanShore wrote: Interesting. you're right but I'd also argue that many law school students are from pretty well respected schools for a number of reasons (top schools probably imply you know how to do well in school or can score higher on LSAT, etc).

I go to one of those feeder schools too. Hopefully that means good news for us.

I personally believe that very broadly speaking, a student from a T10 undergrad with, say 166/3.8 will probably do better at Fordham than someone from a third tier undergrad with the same numbers. Not necessarily because they're smarter, but because certain schools just prepare you better for the competition and rigor, which is necessary to give you the mentality you need to do well in law school. Just my opinion.

AlanShore wrote:
I go to one of those feeder schools too. Hopefully that means good news for us.

I hope so. Riding the waitlist is no fun.
Best of luck to you!

Rock have you considered starting out PT? When I spoke to someone in admissions, they said there is no barrier to entry into the FT class after your first year...they just have a limited number of spots in the 1L classes.

H. E. Pennypacker wrote:Rock have you considered starting out PT? When I spoke to someone in admissions, they said there is no barrier to entry into the FT class after your first year...they just have a limited number of spots in the 1L classes.

Yep, on the waitlist form it asked whether you wanted to be considered for FT, PT, or either. I checked "either." If they accept me for either program, I'd seriously consider attending. I love Fordham for a number of reasons, this TLS thread being one of them.

rockthelaw wrote:

H. E. Pennypacker wrote:Rock have you considered starting out PT? When I spoke to someone in admissions, they said there is no barrier to entry into the FT class after your first year...they just have a limited number of spots in the 1L classes.

Yep, on the waitlist form it asked whether you wanted to be considered for FT, PT, or either. I checked "either." If they accept me for either program, I'd seriously consider attending. I love Fordham for a number of reasons, this TLS thread being one of them.

I have yet to get the waitlist form but this is something I was curious about. Do you guys think that checking the either box hurts your chances for getting off the WL into FT? I love Fordham and want to devote the proper first year to the curriculum, but I worry that if I check the either box when I get the letter, it'd give incentive for them to say "Well if he's willing to go for either, let's lock him out of FT and toss him in PT, to boost PT numbers". I think that because while my gpa is at/a little above the 75th for FT my LSAT is borderline median. From the PT perspect both of my numbers are at/above 75th though.

Any thoughts?

Cardboardbox wrote:

rockthelaw wrote:

H. E. Pennypacker wrote:Rock have you considered starting out PT? When I spoke to someone in admissions, they said there is no barrier to entry into the FT class after your first year...they just have a limited number of spots in the 1L classes.

Yep, on the waitlist form it asked whether you wanted to be considered for FT, PT, or either. I checked "either." If they accept me for either program, I'd seriously consider attending. I love Fordham for a number of reasons, this TLS thread being one of them.

I have yet to get the waitlist form but this is something I was curious about. Do you guys think that checking the either box hurts your chances for getting off the WL into FT? I love Fordham and want to devote the proper first year to the curriculum, but I worry that if I check the either box when I get the letter, it'd give incentive for them to say "Well if he's willing to go for either, let's lock him out of FT and toss him in PT, to boost PT numbers". I think that because while my gpa is at/a little above the 75th for FT my LSAT is borderline median. From the PT perspect both of my numbers are at/above 75th though.

Any thoughts?

I think this is a pretty cynical view of the school, actually. I mean YES - they want/need to boost the PT numbers... but I think they are also still very aware of the value of the PT program and the desire to build it around older, working students. If you fall into that group, then I would say there's a good chance your app would be moved to the PT pile... but if you want to go to Fordham, and that means you will be accepted... what's the problem?

nygrrrl wrote:

Cardboardbox wrote:

rockthelaw wrote:

H. E. Pennypacker wrote:Rock have you considered starting out PT? When I spoke to someone in admissions, they said there is no barrier to entry into the FT class after your first year...they just have a limited number of spots in the 1L classes.

Yep, on the waitlist form it asked whether you wanted to be considered for FT, PT, or either. I checked "either." If they accept me for either program, I'd seriously consider attending. I love Fordham for a number of reasons, this TLS thread being one of them.

I have yet to get the waitlist form but this is something I was curious about. Do you guys think that checking the either box hurts your chances for getting off the WL into FT? I love Fordham and want to devote the proper first year to the curriculum, but I worry that if I check the either box when I get the letter, it'd give incentive for them to say "Well if he's willing to go for either, let's lock him out of FT and toss him in PT, to boost PT numbers". I think that because while my gpa is at/a little above the 75th for FT my LSAT is borderline median. From the PT perspect both of my numbers are at/above 75th though.

Any thoughts?

I think this is a pretty cynical view of the school, actually. I mean YES - they want/need to boost the PT numbers... but I think they are also still very aware of the value of the PT program and the desire to build it around older, working students. If you fall into that group, then I would say there's a good chance your app would be moved to the PT pile... but if you want to go to Fordham, and that means you will be accepted... what's the problem?

Good point, I guess all the unexpected WL/Denials have thrown me off-kilter lol

I'm coming straight out of UG so I'm not in that group at all. The problem is really that my heart lies in being able to attend FT. I don't want the undue stress of my job added onto/distracting me from my studies. And more importantly, though I'm sure PT wouldn't feel much different, for some reason FT feels alot more like a program I'd be comfortable with, going to class during the day and all.

Cardboardbox wrote: Good point, I guess all the unexpected WL/Denials have thrown me off-kilter lol

I'm coming straight out of UG so I'm not in that group at all. The problem is really that my heart lies in being able to attend FT. I don't want the undue stress of my job added onto/distracting me from my studies. And more importantly, though I'm sure PT wouldn't feel much different, for some reason FT feels alot more like a program I'd be comfortable with, going to class during the day and all.

That all makes total sense - and my guess is that the adcoms will see that, from your app. (I'm applying PT because I need to keep working, but there are days when I just think about how nice it would be to have a "traditional" LS experience, with classes in the daylight...!)
Sure sounds like your numbers are good for FT... and I'm with you - the WL/rejects have me edgy as hell.

well the PT professors are the same at the FT ones, plus you wouldn't have to work during the day. PT is cheaper and since you take one less class per semester, you get to put more effort into each class. They say first year is the hardest so I actually like the idea of taking the 1L a littler slower and making sure I build a solid GPA.

H. E. Pennypacker wrote:well the PT professors are the same at the FT ones, plus you wouldn't have to work during the day. PT is cheaper and since you take one less class per semester, you get to put more effort into each class. They say first year is the hardest so I actually like the idea of taking the 1L a littler slower and making sure I build a solid GPA.

I love how you think, H.E.

nygrrrl wrote:

H. E. Pennypacker wrote:well the PT professors are the same at the FT ones, plus you wouldn't have to work during the day. PT is cheaper and since you take one less class per semester, you get to put more effort into each class. They say first year is the hardest so I actually like the idea of taking the 1L a littler slower and making sure I build a solid GPA.

I love how you think, H.E.

I think this idea makes sense in theory, but I'm not sure how it would play out. I want to be able to focus solely on law school as well, but I would feel that if I were only attending classes part-time, that I should have a part-time job, internship, or something else as well. I'm also not sure how employers view part-time students who are only taking classes. That's not to say that it's a good idea to focus solely on schol and wreck the curve for everybody else. I'm just not sure how any and all employers would view that, be they biglaw, midlaw, government, etc. Anyone have some insight?