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Re: William & Mary

Postby see18 » Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:20 pm

statuscheckerssuck wrote:
NancyBotwin wrote:
statuscheckerssuck wrote:Have any other admits been impressed with the amount of post acceptance correspondence from W&M? I just got some fun post-its and a key chain today!

Good luck to you guys still waiting.


:cry: I want a keychain. I did get a window sticker from UMN though.


I am sure you will get your keychain soon! Nice tar/username btw. I just bought season five and am popping in the first disc now.



I got the key chain and post-its too! Along with an NYU rejection :( but the post-its totally make up for it. I also got a call from a 2nd year a few days ago.

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Re: William & Mary

Postby jerichogringo » Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:23 pm

So, help me understand. Has anyone's status checker gone from Decision Pending to Review Complete. Has anyone gone from Decision Pending to actually being Accepted?

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Re: William & Mary

Postby see18 » Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:37 pm

jerichogringo wrote:So, help me understand. Has anyone's status checker gone from Decision Pending to Review Complete. Has anyone gone from Decision Pending to actually being Accepted?



I think most people went from "application ready for review" to "review complete" with that acceptances listed under mailings. At least that's how mine went.

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Re: William & Mary

Postby krispykitten » Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:35 pm

Aww, I got the post it notes, but no keychain :( boo.

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Re: William & Mary

Postby ndirish2010 » Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:34 pm

see18 wrote:
statuscheckerssuck wrote:
NancyBotwin wrote:
statuscheckerssuck wrote:Have any other admits been impressed with the amount of post acceptance correspondence from W&M? I just got some fun post-its and a key chain today!

Good luck to you guys still waiting.


:cry: I want a keychain. I did get a window sticker from UMN though.


I am sure you will get your keychain soon! Nice tar/username btw. I just bought season five and am popping in the first disc now.



I got the key chain and post-its too! Along with an NYU rejection :( but the post-its totally make up for it. I also got a call from a 2nd year a few days ago.


Got the key chain and post-its today as well, i'm pretty impressed with W&M so far

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Re: William & Mary

Postby Veritas » Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:42 pm

Nice little presents today!

I like W&M, but something about it just isn't jiving, I don't know exactly what it is.

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Re: William & Mary

Postby eshort » Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:43 pm

I visited W&M in the fall and it is definitely worth serious consideration. Everyone there was extremely nice and the school was appealing. For me, the biggest concern was being in Williamsburg; that is something to really think about.

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Re: William & Mary

Postby Pearalegal » Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:45 pm

Oooh, key chain!

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Re: William & Mary

Postby bwana73 » Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:13 am

Does anyone know anything about the Graduate Fellowship? I was offered it, which gives me in-state and a stipend, but also requires you to work 8 hours a week as a 1L and 10 hours for your 2L and 3L years. My wife will be working so it should be be pretty easy for me to declare residency. Is the prestige of this fellowship worth accepting it even if I could be a resident my second and third year? Thanks for your help.
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Re: William & Mary

Postby MarkRenton » Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:19 am

bwana73 wrote:Does anyone know anything about the Graduate Fellowship? I was offered it, which gives me in-state and a stipend, but also requires you to work 8 hours a week as a 1L and 10 hours for your 2L and 3L years. My wife will be working so it should be be pretty easy for me to declare residency. Is the prestige of this fellowship worth accepting it even if I could be a resident my second and third year? Thanks for your help.


If you're positive that you'll be able to gain in-state status, maybe it will be possible to speak with the administration about getting a traditional scholarship that would carry over into the 2 and 3L years.

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Re: William & Mary

Postby Padimud » Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:20 am

Does anybody else find themselves wrestling already with 2 or 3 offers they have on the table?

I mean W&M is a great school, hands down. But when you put the graduate fellow scholarship against other guaranteed offers with no work commitment and/or other offers, does anyone else find it impossible to walk away from but impossible to commit to W&M.

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Re: William & Mary

Postby wakefield » Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:38 am

Padimud wrote:Does anybody else find themselves wrestling already with 2 or 3 offers they have on the table?

I mean W&M is a great school, hands down. But when you put the graduate fellow scholarship against other guaranteed offers with no work commitment and/or other offers, does anyone else find it impossible to walk away from but impossible to commit to W&M.


What kind of offers do you have? I applied sort of late, so W&M is my first acceptance. I wasn't looking at it too seriously at first, but I'm starting to think decent money at a good school is a really good option for me. I'd rather have a little debt from a solid school than none from a TTTT that will only have regional recognition, or be 200K in the hole from a T14.

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Re: William & Mary

Postby married0L » Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:26 pm

I am the same way wakefield. I can deal with paying 10,000 a year with my wife working rather than going 200,000 in debt for a t10-20.

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Re: William & Mary

Postby laureng05 » Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:07 pm

wakefield wrote:
Padimud wrote:Does anybody else find themselves wrestling already with 2 or 3 offers they have on the table?

I mean W&M is a great school, hands down. But when you put the graduate fellow scholarship against other guaranteed offers with no work commitment and/or other offers, does anyone else find it impossible to walk away from but impossible to commit to W&M.


What kind of offers do you have? I applied sort of late, so W&M is my first acceptance. I wasn't looking at it too seriously at first, but I'm starting to think decent money at a good school is a really good option for me. I'd rather have a little debt from a solid school than none from a TTTT that will only have regional recognition, or be 200K in the hole from a T14.



I am in the same boat as you. W&M is the first decision from any law schools that I applied to - i really only applied because they gave me a fee waiver, but it's hard to turn down a top 30 school for $15k a year. the highest ranked school i applied to is BC, so I don't know if it makes sense for me to choose BC over W&M (assuming i get in), when I know i won't get any money from them. I've just lived in VA my whole life, so I kind of wanted to get out.

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Re: William & Mary

Postby wakefield » Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:39 pm

laureng05 wrote:
wakefield wrote:
Padimud wrote:Does anybody else find themselves wrestling already with 2 or 3 offers they have on the table?

I mean W&M is a great school, hands down. But when you put the graduate fellow scholarship against other guaranteed offers with no work commitment and/or other offers, does anyone else find it impossible to walk away from but impossible to commit to W&M.


What kind of offers do you have? I applied sort of late, so W&M is my first acceptance. I wasn't looking at it too seriously at first, but I'm starting to think decent money at a good school is a really good option for me. I'd rather have a little debt from a solid school than none from a TTTT that will only have regional recognition, or be 200K in the hole from a T14.



I am in the same boat as you. W&M is the first decision from any law schools that I applied to - i really only applied because they gave me a fee waiver, but it's hard to turn down a top 30 school for $15k a year. the highest ranked school i applied to is BC, so I don't know if it makes sense for me to choose BC over W&M (assuming i get in), when I know i won't get any money from them. I've just lived in VA my whole life, so I kind of wanted to get out.



Exactly! Plus, COL will be the same or less than at a lot of the other schools I've applied to. I've heard complaints about Williamsburg, but I grew up in a small town with nothing to do. Williamsburg looks like paradise in comparison. I've lived and gone to school in a small town and NYC, and I don't think it's a big deal to hang out in a tourist town for 3 years.

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Re: William & Mary

Postby Doodsmack » Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:01 pm

ntzsch wrote:
Doodsmack wrote:
ntzsch wrote:
Doodsmack wrote:Regarding the reliability of supposed trends on LSN, here's one question: does the trend hold true going back several years? Obviously, if what happened last year was different than previous years, we can't say anything with certainty.

Regardless, faced with choosing between LSN graphs and what W&M tells us, I'll take what W&M tells us. It's questionable whether LSN graphs reflect a representative sample of applicants, especially considering that not all users update the results of their applications even though they did input the fact that they applied.


what LSN tells us is not necessarily inconsistent with what W&M tells us.

W&M:most decisions are sent late is cycle.
LSN: most decisions that are sent late in cycle are WL/Reject
LSAC:most decisions that W&M gives are WL/Reject

these can all be true , they don't have to be.


On second thought, I do think that what LSN tells us is inconsistent with what W&M tells us. The status checker reads:

"The majority of decisions will be finalized during the month of March following the application deadline date when the competition in the applicant pool is known and assessed."

If the competition isn't fully "known and assessed" before all applications have been received, it's not likely they would already have given out most of their acceptances.


i see what you're saying. but there is really nothing to support your conclusion. they never tell us something like "we will not give out most of our decisions until the applicant pool is fully known and assessed."

i assume that "when competition in the applicant poll is known and assessed" is hot air (ie, something akin to the 'holistic approach' a lot of law schools claim). but they could have said, "when march madness is in full swing" without really changing what they have said (ie, what we can infer).

who knows, the reasoning above may have a strong relationship with my unfortunate DP status. :P o well, i like W&L better anyways.

edit: i like Wake and UNC better as well. (had to put that in there, i always get the feeling that i am being unfaithful to a particular school, kind of funny/sad)


Supporting my conclusion is the plain logic of a school waiting to assess the competition within its applicant pool before making the majority of decisions. It's clearly what they're saying with that sentence.

My point is just that TLS users' attempts to identify trends based on status checker updates are usually futile.

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Re: William & Mary

Postby MBZags » Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:20 pm

Got the keychain and post-its today, along with the letter of student activities. Nice touch.

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Re: William & Mary

Postby JMBrown32 » Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:30 pm

Received my letter today with info about the graduate fellowship :D

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Re: William & Mary

Postby NatSec » Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:58 am

How about we try new logic?

William and Mary states that approximately 50% of those attending now are on some form of scholarship.

Through LSN and TLS acceptances appear to either be receiving $$$ or be URM with good numbers.

Most decisions are rendered in March.

Unless 50% of their acceptances are URM this means that somewhere between a third and half of all acceptances will be coming in March. Effectively all people not $$$ or URM. And considering there are going to be people that turn down their $$$ for other schools, some of the acceptances in March would have to have $$$.

Always remember the selection bias inherent in LSN and even TLS. W&M state that they get thousands of applications, I don't see thousands or even many hundreds of applicants on LSN. Our sample is biased and therefore does not represent the population of those applying or those being accepted.

just a thought.

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Re: William & Mary

Postby xanderdellus » Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:14 am

NatSec wrote:How about we try new logic?

William and Mary states that approximately 50% of those attending now are on some form of scholarship.

Through LSN and TLS acceptances appear to either be receiving $$$ or be URM with good numbers.

Most decisions are rendered in March.

Unless 50% of their acceptances are URM this means that somewhere between a third and half of all acceptances will be coming in March. Effectively all people not $$$ or URM. And considering there are going to be people that turn down their $$$ for other schools, some of the acceptances in March would have to have $$$.

Always remember the selection bias inherent in LSN and even TLS. W&M state that they get thousands of applications, I don't see thousands or even many hundreds of applicants on LSN. Our sample is biased and therefore does not represent the population of those applying or those being accepted.

just a thought.



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Re: William & Mary

Postby carrotflower » Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:00 pm

I applied later in the cycle (with a Dec. lsat). I've been offered the grad. fellowship + $4,000/yr. stipend but no merit scholarship (167/3.92). I'm visiting the school in a few weeks. How likely is it that I might be offered more scholarship money later in the cycle (esp. after my visit)?

The biggest draw for W&M right now is that I eventually want to end up in D.C. I'm a Georgia resident and expecting a scholarship offer from UGA but don't really want to practice in Atlanta. However, it'll be hard to turn down UGA's ridiculously cheap tuition without a little more money from W&M.

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Re: William & Mary

Postby Olive » Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:04 pm

Did anyone else get a post-acceptance email from a student at W&M? I received a really sweet email from a fellow Texan at W&M who talked about his perspective on the school. I'm really impressed with their admissions office now. I didn't get the key chain or anything, but this was a nice touch, IMO.

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Re: William & Mary

Postby robin600 » Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:10 pm

xanderdellus wrote:
NatSec wrote:How about we try new logic?

William and Mary states that approximately 50% of those attending now are on some form of scholarship.

Through LSN and TLS acceptances appear to either be receiving $$$ or be URM with good numbers.

Most decisions are rendered in March.

Unless 50% of their acceptances are URM this means that somewhere between a third and half of all acceptances will be coming in March. Effectively all people not $$$ or URM. And considering there are going to be people that turn down their $$$ for other schools, some of the acceptances in March would have to have $$$.

Always remember the selection bias inherent in LSN and even TLS. W&M state that they get thousands of applications, I don't see thousands or even many hundreds of applicants on LSN. Our sample is biased and therefore does not represent the population of those applying or those being accepted.

just a thought.



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Re: William & Mary

Postby GatorGirl1230 » Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:12 pm

Olive wrote:Did anyone else get a post-acceptance email from a student at W&M? I received a really sweet email from a fellow Texan at W&M who talked about his perspective on the school. I'm really impressed with their admissions office now. I didn't get the key chain or anything, but this was a nice touch, IMO.


I also got a post-acceptance email from W&M. It was from a W&M graduate, who also went to undergrad at the University of Florida (where I currently am). It's nice to see them take the time to match up students/alumni with prospective students.

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Re: William & Mary

Postby klussy » Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:18 pm

carrotflower wrote:I applied later in the cycle (with a Dec. lsat). I've been offered the grad. fellowship + $4,000/yr. stipend but no merit scholarship (167/3.92). I'm visiting the school in a few weeks. How likely is it that I might be offered more scholarship money later in the cycle (esp. after my visit)?

The biggest draw for W&M right now is that I eventually want to end up in D.C. I'm a Georgia resident and expecting a scholarship offer from UGA but don't really want to practice in Atlanta. However, it'll be hard to turn down UGA's ridiculously cheap tuition without a little more money from W&M.


you couldve had a great chance at UVA or Georgetown with those numbers- but I understand money is a factor. my friend a few years ago was offered a full ride at WM and turned it down for some money at UVA (I think it was 10k/yr) with almost the exact same #s as you.




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