englawyer wrote: notanumber wrote:
crackberry wrote: I dunno, but Yale (and Stanford) rejects a ton of 75/75 kids. Harvard rejects virtually none.
I believe this, but I do wonder how Yale maintains their "highest LSAT/GPA" status given that professors likely don't care about LSAT/GPA and would probably be much more impressed by a 3.8/170 who was published in a peer-reviewed journal than a 4.0/179 whose biggest activity was 'leader of the chess club.
Perhaps the math of who the deans pass-through to the professors ensures that they "win" at the rankings game. Like the talking barbie of yore, I think that math is hard. Is there anybody here who can run the numbers? Anybody?
#1. yale is the best law school, and most people will go there over any other law school
#2. they have a class size of less than 200
#3. there are 700 lsat takers that score 175+ each year
we can assume half of the applicants over 175 got over a 3.8, because they are pretty damn smart to begin with. so that is a group of 350 with the numerical stats of 3.8+ / 175+.
if Yale really wanted to, I bet they could have 25th/75th LSAT of 175-177 or something like that.
Like I said, math is hard. So this is probably all wrong. And the numbers are certainly guesstimates:
It's not the 173 median that I wonder about, it's the 75%.
That means they need about 50 people with a 178+ LSAT.
I have no idea how many people have that kind of LSAT in a given year but a quick in-the-head calculation makes me think that it's not much more than 300. Let's generously say that about half of those applied to Yale and had the GPA or "softs" needed to make it to the professor's committee. That means that Yale gets ~150 qualified applicants of which ~50 much be chosen in order for their LSAT 75% to remain so absurdly high. That's a 33% success rate overall.
The Yale blog says that about 1,000 files get sent to the professors for the ~150 or so remaining spots. That's an overall success rate of 15%. That seems like mighty risky odds if they really want their 75% to remain at 177.
Of course, this assumes that 178+ applicants are passed through to the committee at the same rate as lower LSAT folk. Auto-admitting 30 or so of these 178+ admits would be a great hedge against losing the 75%, no? Because if Yale accepted, say, 30 then you would only need 10% of the applicants in that "pool" of 120 individuals to be chosen by the Profs in order for Yale to maintain its 75% LSAT victory. They would also have the advantage of rejecting several [75/qualified] candidates which throws everybody trying to predict admissions for a loop.
I presume that the GPA is an easier target to find?
Who really knows though. Like most everything else on this discussion forum it is all idle speculation from the uninformed. I also pulled most of the numbers out of my arse.
Also, if you're reading this: Hi Yale law admissions dean(s)! I think your process is fascinating.