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Re: Yale 2010

Postby CardinalRules » Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:34 pm

knola002 wrote:
englawyer wrote:calling HYS the holy trinity is pretty funny because I suspect that a sizable number of people going there are non-believers. if your logic skills are that good... :wink:
Love it.


FWIW, I'm Catholic and did better on the logic games than any of the other sections. Going to check out the movie, though, based on its rave reviews around here. :D

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Re: Yale 2010

Postby knola002 » Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:41 pm

managamy wrote:
knola002 wrote:
englawyer wrote:calling HYS the holy trinity is pretty funny because I suspect that a sizable number of people going there are non-believers. if your logic skills are that good... :wink:
Love it.


FWIW, I'm Catholic and did better on the logic games than any of the other sections. Going to check out the movie, though, based on its rave reviews around here. :D
As having a polite conversation about religion and reason is an impossibility over the Internet (not that I wouldn't be interested in hearing your thoughts), I apologize if my agreement with the above comment rubbed you the wrong way. Princess Bride is awesome, enjoy.

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Re: Yale 2010

Postby starrydreamz3 » Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:43 pm

managamy wrote:
owhlcn wrote:
VoidSix wrote:
Good catch. I credit The Princess Bride.


just for the record, i credit the princess bride for everything.


Full disclosure: I have no idea what The Princess Bride is.




Vizzini wrote:Inconceivable!

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Re: Yale 2010

Postby owhlcn » Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:46 pm

starrydreamz3 wrote:
managamy wrote:
owhlcn wrote:
VoidSix wrote:
Good catch. I credit The Princess Bride.


just for the record, i credit the princess bride for everything.


Full disclosure: I have no idea what The Princess Bride is.




Vizzini wrote:Inconceivable!


HAHA you win, hands down

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Re: Yale 2010

Postby CardinalRules » Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:52 pm

knola002 wrote:
managamy wrote:
knola002 wrote:
englawyer wrote:calling HYS the holy trinity is pretty funny because I suspect that a sizable number of people going there are non-believers. if your logic skills are that good... :wink:
Love it.


FWIW, I'm Catholic and did better on the logic games than any of the other sections. Going to check out the movie, though, based on its rave reviews around here. :D
As having a polite conversation about religion and reason is an impossibility over the Internet (not that I wouldn't be interested in hearing your thoughts), I apologize if my agreement with the above comment rubbed you the wrong way. Princess Bride is awesome, enjoy.


No, it didn't at all. I actually think that it can be a fascinating intellectual exercise to reconcile Cathollic beliefs with the demands of modern society, and St. Augustine's argument on evil is brilliant from a logical perspective.

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Re: Yale 2010

Postby Kronk » Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:54 pm

St. Augustine is my patron saint. <3

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Re: Yale 2010

Postby tomhobbes » Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:56 pm

managamy wrote:
No, it didn't at all. I actually think that it can be a fascinating intellectual exercise to reconcile Cathollic beliefs with the demands of modern society, and St. Augustine's argument on evil is brilliant from a logical perspective.


You mean his argument that there is no problem of evil, because there is no evil? That what we call evil is just good that's been corrupted? But how do you solve the problem of corrupted goods?

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Re: Yale 2010

Postby CardinalRules » Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:59 pm

Just to clarify, is this film the same one that you're recommending? Haha, I expected something a lot less harmless. :wink:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093779/

If it is, I'd recommend "Donkey Skin," a French film with the same fairytale-like premise starring Catherine Deneuve and directed by Jacques Demy of "Umbrellas of Cherbourg" fame, with music by Michel Legrand.

@TH: I think that we are naturally too ignorant (in our inferior position as humans) to understand that what appears to be evil to us is actually not evil from God's perspective, which by definition is the only righteous one.

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Re: Yale 2010

Postby owhlcn » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:00 pm

managamy wrote:Just to clarify, is this film the same one that you're recommending? Haha, I expected something a lot less harmless. :wink:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093779/

If it is, I'd recommend "Donkey Skin," a French film with the same fairytale-like premise starring Catherine Deneuve and directed by Jacques Demy of "Umbrellas of Cherbourg" fame, with music by Michel Legrand.



YES THIS IS IT now go watch

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Re: Yale 2010

Postby tomhobbes » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:21 pm

managamy wrote:Just to clarify, is this film the same one that you're recommending? Haha, I expected something a lot less harmless. :wink:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093779/

If it is, I'd recommend "Donkey Skin," a French film with the same fairytale-like premise starring Catherine Deneuve and directed by Jacques Demy of "Umbrellas of Cherbourg" fame, with music by Michel Legrand.

@TH: I think that we are naturally too ignorant (in our inferior position as humans) to understand that what appears to be evil to us is actually not evil from God's perspective, which by definition is the only righteous one.


I guess there's nothing logically inconsistent about using the "we just don't know" solution to the problem of evil, but that seems like a pretty big bullet to bite. At that point, I don't think you're using Augustine's argument, either. The "we just don't know" solution isn't really a brilliant innovation that we can credit to St. Augustine.

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Re: Yale 2010

Postby Kronk » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:22 pm

tomhobbes wrote:
managamy wrote:Just to clarify, is this film the same one that you're recommending? Haha, I expected something a lot less harmless. :wink:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093779/

If it is, I'd recommend "Donkey Skin," a French film with the same fairytale-like premise starring Catherine Deneuve and directed by Jacques Demy of "Umbrellas of Cherbourg" fame, with music by Michel Legrand.

@TH: I think that we are naturally too ignorant (in our inferior position as humans) to understand that what appears to be evil to us is actually not evil from God's perspective, which by definition is the only righteous one.


I guess there's nothing logically inconsistent about using the "we just don't know" solution to the problem of evil, but that seems like a pretty big bullet to bite. At that point, I don't think you're using Augustine's argument, either. The "we just don't know" solution isn't really a brilliant innovation that we can credit to St. Augustine.



I think Augustine would argue that the problem of evil isn't really a problem if you have read and processed the Bible.

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Re: Yale 2010

Postby CardinalRules » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:27 pm

Good point by V6.

Just to clarify, I don't necessarily advocate all Catholic beliefs; some of them are highly embarrassing. Also, I wouldn't describe myself as "fervently religious" or anything near it.

When I was 10 or 12, I wanted to be a priest. Then I found out about the celibacy part.

Probably we should be careful how much we discuss religion around here, however, since there could be people reading these posts who might take serious and unwarranted offense.

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Re: Yale 2010

Postby Kretzy » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:30 pm

VoidSix wrote:
tomhobbes wrote:
managamy wrote:Just to clarify, is this film the same one that you're recommending? Haha, I expected something a lot less harmless. :wink:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093779/

If it is, I'd recommend "Donkey Skin," a French film with the same fairytale-like premise starring Catherine Deneuve and directed by Jacques Demy of "Umbrellas of Cherbourg" fame, with music by Michel Legrand.

@TH: I think that we are naturally too ignorant (in our inferior position as humans) to understand that what appears to be evil to us is actually not evil from God's perspective, which by definition is the only righteous one.


I guess there's nothing logically inconsistent about using the "we just don't know" solution to the problem of evil, but that seems like a pretty big bullet to bite. At that point, I don't think you're using Augustine's argument, either. The "we just don't know" solution isn't really a brilliant innovation that we can credit to St. Augustine.



I think Augustine would argue that the problem of evil isn't really a problem if you have read and processed the Bible.


"Problem of Evil" was my favorite class in UG. Not to digress further from the merits of Princess Bride in the Yale forum, or anything...

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Re: Yale 2010

Postby owhlcn » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:32 pm

Kretzy wrote:
"Problem of Evil" was my favorite class in UG. Not to digress further from the merits of Princess Bride in the Yale forum, or anything...


serves Yale right, if they'd admit a few more people maybe we'd have more to talk about.

sorry sorry sorry Yale <3 i promise

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Re: Yale 2010

Postby Lysis » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:33 pm

owhlcn wrote:
Kretzy wrote:
"Problem of Evil" was my favorite class in UG. Not to digress further from the merits of Princess Bride in the Yale forum, or anything...


serves Yale right, if they'd admit a few more people maybe we'd have more to talk about.

sorry sorry sorry Yale <3 i promise


QFT. I applied recently so I don't expect to hear until, you know, June. But there's always hope.

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Re: Yale 2010

Postby CardinalRules » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:34 pm

owhlcn wrote:
Kretzy wrote:
"Problem of Evil" was my favorite class in UG. Not to digress further from the merits of Princess Bride in the Yale forum, or anything...


serves Yale right, if they'd admit a few more people maybe we'd have more to talk about.

sorry sorry sorry Yale <3 i promise


They'd probably rather have us continue to discuss elevated philosophical and theological issues instead of mundane stuff like phone calls.

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Re: Yale 2010

Postby tomhobbes » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:36 pm

managamy wrote:Good point by V6.

Just to clarify, I don't necessarily advocate all Catholic beliefs; some of them are highly embarrassing. Also, I wouldn't describe myself as "fervently religious" or anything near it.

When I was 10 or 12, I wanted to be a priest. Then I found out about the celibacy part.

Probably we should be careful how much we discuss religion around here, however, since there could be people reading these posts who might take serious and unwarranted offense.


Alright, I don't want to come across as the angry atheist. I just like talking philosophy, whether it's about God or something else.

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Re: Yale 2010

Postby owhlcn » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:37 pm

tomhobbes wrote:Alright, I don't want to come across as the angry atheist. I just like talking philosophy, whether it's about God or something else.


angry atheist + 1, no worries

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Re: Yale 2010

Postby CardinalRules » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:39 pm

tomhobbes wrote:
managamy wrote:Good point by V6.

Just to clarify, I don't necessarily advocate all Catholic beliefs; some of them are highly embarrassing. Also, I wouldn't describe myself as "fervently religious" or anything near it.

When I was 10 or 12, I wanted to be a priest. Then I found out about the celibacy part.

Probably we should be careful how much we discuss religion around here, however, since there could be people reading these posts who might take serious and unwarranted offense.


Alright, I don't want to come across as the angry atheist. I just like talking philosophy, whether it's about God or something else.


Me too! :D I hope that law school doesn't mean the end of this sort of discussion for either of us.

FWIW, I suspect that neither of you are any more "angry atheists" than I am an "angry apostate." :wink:

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Re: Yale 2010

Postby owhlcn » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:40 pm

Lysis wrote:
owhlcn wrote:
Kretzy wrote:
"Problem of Evil" was my favorite class in UG. Not to digress further from the merits of Princess Bride in the Yale forum, or anything...


serves Yale right, if they'd admit a few more people maybe we'd have more to talk about.

sorry sorry sorry Yale <3 i promise


QFT. I applied recently so I don't expect to hear until, you know, June. But there's always hope.


but june is so far. also, pm'ed you.

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Re: Yale 2010

Postby Kretzy » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:41 pm

managamy wrote:
tomhobbes wrote:
managamy wrote:Good point by V6.

Just to clarify, I don't necessarily advocate all Catholic beliefs; some of them are highly embarrassing. Also, I wouldn't describe myself as "fervently religious" or anything near it.

When I was 10 or 12, I wanted to be a priest. Then I found out about the celibacy part.

Probably we should be careful how much we discuss religion around here, however, since there could be people reading these posts who might take serious and unwarranted offense.


Alright, I don't want to come across as the angry atheist. I just like talking philosophy, whether it's about God or something else.


Me too! :D I hope that law school doesn't mean the end of this sort of discussion for either of us.

FWIW, I suspect that neither of you are any more "angry atheists" than I am an "angry apostate." :wink:


It's hard to be an "angry Episcopalian." Dammit. I knew I should've stayed at New Life Church with Pastor Ted :D

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Re: Yale 2010

Postby Kronk » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:54 pm

FWIW, just reread Judges, and God makes the Israelites slaves to about thirty other nations. Nearly every chapter starts with "Israel once again did evil in the eyes of the Lord, and so he gave them to __________ (insert Midianites, Ammorites, etc.) for _______ years."

God's benevolence is definitely a complex issue.


/religious arguing

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Re: Yale 2010

Postby drsomebody » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:57 pm

Kretzy wrote: It's hard to be an "angry Episcopalian."


No harder than my being an angry agnostic. I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER AND YOU DON'T EITHER!!! ;)

But seriously, religion can be a wonderful and uplifting thing for some people. It can also be used for great evil.

Kind of like a Yale education.

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Re: Yale 2010

Postby CardinalRules » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:57 pm

drsomebody wrote:
Kretzy wrote: It's hard to be an "angry Episcopalian."


No harder than my being an angry agnostic. I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER AND YOU DON'T EITHER!!! ;)

But seriously, religion can be a wonderful and uplifting thing for some people. It can also be used for great evil.

Kind of like a Yale education.


Sounds like a good theme for a 250. :P

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Re: Yale 2010

Postby Kronk » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:58 pm

drsomebody wrote:
Kretzy wrote: It's hard to be an "angry Episcopalian."


No harder than my being an angry agnostic. I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER AND YOU DON'T EITHER!!! ;)

But seriously, religion can be a wonderful and uplifting thing for some people. It can also be used for great evil.

Kind of like a Yale education.


Pat Robertson is a prime example of the great evil of both of those things. ;)




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