Dignan wrote: tomhobbes wrote: Kakarot wrote:
TheWire wrote:It's funny how LSN and TLS only have juggernaut acceptances, in general, for Yale. Yet, we all sit here and think that we have a shot because our essays will win us favor in "holistic admissions."
Huge numbers get accepted first by Dean Asha. Great stories get accepted later by faculty review.
There is no correlation between when you are admitted and whether you were a presumptive admit or read by faculty (I really don't see why this would make any difference once you are admitted, but anyway). Both I and the members of the faculty are reading files from early fall into April. So, it's entirely possible for an application to make it through a round of three faculty readers by December, just as it is possible for me to admit someone directly in the spring (it would be kind of odd, wouldn't it, if a must-have applicant applied on February 15 and I had no choice but to send the person to the faculty gamble?). In fact, I believe two years ago the very very very last file I read was a presumptive admit. Again: your chances of admission remain the same regardless of when you apply.
This Asha quote doesn't address Kakarot's point. Asha is countering the claim that people who apply later in the cycle--say, February instead of October--are less or more likely to go to faculty review. Karakot, on the other hand, is making the fairly obvious point that applicants who get accepted directly by Asha are, relative to when they applied, likely to hear back sooner than will those who go to faculty review.
It seemed to me like this is what was going on:
TheWire: dude, on LSN and TLS the only Yale acceptances have awesome numbers, the rest of us are fucked. So much for holistic admissions.
Kakarot: relax dude, the reason all the LSN admits have great numbers is just because they were presumptive admits. Presumptive admits get accepted first, and people with great stories get accepted later in the cycle. We'll probably see lower numbers being accepted on LSN soon as faculty review acceptees trickle in.
If that's what he was saying, then it would be wrong. There's no reason to believe that the LSN acceptances are mostly made up of presumptive admits because of what I quoted above.