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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby puppleberry finn » Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:14 pm

swc65 wrote:Is the world ending? Over an hour and no activity on this thread? Maybe you all passed out from stress!


people seem to hate the random chatter, and there isn't much to report on the actual admissions front. I dunno, I'm kinda burned out on status checking. I just want to say fuck it and if I get an email or letter, whatever.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby xcountryjunkie » Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:33 pm

Quick question: Does anybody know how much or little CLS emphasizes legacy? My father went there, so I'm trying to gauge if I'll get any real boost. Otherwise, I don't expect to be too competitive (LSAT: 169, LSDAS GPA: 3.68, RD, non-URM).

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby Helmholtz » Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:34 pm

xcountryjunkie wrote:Quick question: Does anybody know how much or little CLS emphasizes legacy? My father went there, so I'm trying to gauge if I'll get any real boost. Otherwise, I don't expect to be too competitive (LSAT: 169, LSDAS GPA: 3.68, RD, non-URM).


Has your father given tons of money to the school?

Really, I don't see it making an impact at all.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby xcountryjunkie » Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:38 pm

Helmholtz wrote:
xcountryjunkie wrote:Quick question: Does anybody know how much or little CLS emphasizes legacy? My father went there, so I'm trying to gauge if I'll get any real boost. Otherwise, I don't expect to be too competitive (LSAT: 169, LSDAS GPA: 3.68, RD, non-URM).


Has your father given tons of money to the school?

Really, I don't see it making an impact at all.


Nope, hence the problem :wink:

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby irie » Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:58 pm

xcountryjunkie wrote:
Helmholtz wrote:
xcountryjunkie wrote:Quick question: Does anybody know how much or little CLS emphasizes legacy? My father went there, so I'm trying to gauge if I'll get any real boost. Otherwise, I don't expect to be too competitive (LSAT: 169, LSDAS GPA: 3.68, RD, non-URM).


Has your father given tons of money to the school?

Really, I don't see it making an impact at all.


Nope, hence the problem :wink:


just to clarify, he went to the law school right? not undergrad? if so it might make a marginal difference, but you'd have to be very borderline.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby rx3r » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:25 pm

So, I got a little bored at work (and I'm not a Gossip Girl viewer so I have nothing to contribute on that front), so I decided to play around with LSN.

I put the EDers that I think are probably real (blueprint4, rx3r, tofu, Lrae, Taylor, azntwice, irie, and natedgr8) and came up with these #s

Average index = 4.30
Average LSAT = 172.6
Average uGPA = 3.66

I did the same for the EDers I found in 2008 (whizchan, athena376, Jack226, britishseapower, zornstar, leapingpanther, engineeringlawyer) and came up with this:

Average index = 4.28
Average LSAT = 173.0
Average GPA = 3.59

Anyway, there didn't seem to be a huge difference. I also noticed that many of the mid to low 4.2 EDers in the last cycle were accepted after the first batch. However, there seem to be a few more EDers this cycle already accepted.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby Lieut Kaffee » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:28 pm

I might have had a decent shot at CLS ED after all.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby puppleberry finn » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:30 pm

thanks rx3r, that was interesting. Do we think that the average index for ED acceptances is lower or higher than for RD?

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby Lieut Kaffee » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:30 pm

puppins wrote:thanks rx3r, that was interesting. Do we think that the average index for ED acceptances is lower or higher than for RD?


I would guess it is lower.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby rx3r » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:30 pm

puppins wrote:thanks rx3r, that was interesting. Do we think that the average index for ED acceptances is lower or higher than for RD?


Of the top of my head I'd guess lower, but I'd have to look into it more.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby Tofu » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:31 pm

it'd make more sense if it were lower

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby rx3r » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:35 pm

rx3r wrote:
puppins wrote:thanks rx3r, that was interesting. Do we think that the average index for ED acceptances is lower or higher than for RD?


Of the top of my head I'd guess lower, but I'd have to look into it more.


I quickly fiddled around with LSP and a 172, 3.745 appears to be the median with an index of 4.321. I don't know about average.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby puppleberry finn » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:36 pm

Tofu wrote:it'd make more sense if it were lower


but it wouldn't make sense for ED to be lower. Think about it; ED is good for a school when it lets you lock down someone that you want in your class without hurting your yield. If they are admitting people with lower indexes, they don't get someone who is numerically advantageous OR someone who would have a lot of better options and is thus unlikely to accept their offer.


EDIT: that is not to say that it isn't lower, though.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby Lermontov » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:36 pm

rx3r wrote:So, I got a little bored at work (and I'm not a Gossip Girl viewer so I have nothing to contribute on that front), so I decided to play around with LSN.


Since you've already got the numbers together, any chance of getting some medians?

Edit: I see you already got this. Thanks.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby rx3r » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:37 pm

Lermontov wrote:
rx3r wrote:So, I got a little bored at work (and I'm not a Gossip Girl viewer so I have nothing to contribute on that front), so I decided to play around with LSN.


Since you've already got the numbers together, any chance of getting some medians?


I don't know if it will mean much since the groups I looked at were respectively 8 and 7 applicants.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby irie » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:41 pm

rx3r wrote:
rx3r wrote:
puppins wrote:thanks rx3r, that was interesting. Do we think that the average index for ED acceptances is lower or higher than for RD?


Of the top of my head I'd guess lower, but I'd have to look into it more.


I quickly fiddled around with LSP and a 172, 3.745 appears to be the median with an index of 4.321. I don't know about average.



from the Columbia Law School website:

LSAT Median: 172
LSAT Mean: 171
LSAT 25/75 Percentile: 170/175

UGPA Median: 3.72
UGPA Mean: 3.69
UGPA 25/75 Percentile: 3.60/3.81

http://www.law.columbia.edu/jd_applican ... assprofile

edit: sry, this includes both ED and RD and URM/NR, so prob not relevant.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby rx3r » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:45 pm

irie wrote:
rx3r wrote:
rx3r wrote:
puppins wrote:thanks rx3r, that was interesting. Do we think that the average index for ED acceptances is lower or higher than for RD?


Of the top of my head I'd guess lower, but I'd have to look into it more.


I quickly fiddled around with LSP and a 172, 3.745 appears to be the median with an index of 4.321. I don't know about average.



from the Columbia Law School website:

LSAT Median: 172
LSAT Mean: 171
LSAT 25/75 Percentile: 170/175

UGPA Median: 3.72
UGPA Mean: 3.69
UGPA 25/75 Percentile: 3.60/3.81

http://www.law.columbia.edu/jd_applican ... assprofile

edit: sry, this includes both ED and RD and URM/NR, so prob not relevant.


I like that the two of us should stop caring about this sort of thing, and yet we do it anyway. Lol.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby Tofu » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:46 pm

puppins wrote:
Tofu wrote:it'd make more sense if it were lower


but it wouldn't make sense for ED to be lower. Think about it; ED is good for a school when it lets you lock down someone that you want in your class without hurting your yield. If they are admitting people with lower indexes, they don't get someone who is numerically advantageous OR someone who would have a lot of better options and is thus unlikely to accept their offer.


oh, i was just thinking that the adcomm would prefer to have a higher index, with exceptions being that the adcomm sees some people it really likes

so then the situation would be that people with higher #s are just applying RD because they want a chance at HYS, while those with slightly lower #s are applying ED

though.... i could be totally wrong. i have no idea what the adcomm is thinking!
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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby Kronk » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:47 pm

Did this thread really grow from 16 pages to 33 in the last few days (or am I mixing things up)? What the hell is going on?


Edit: Nevermind, just saw LSN. What is the status of HELM!?
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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby AngryAvocado » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:47 pm

irie wrote:
rx3r wrote:
rx3r wrote:
puppins wrote:thanks rx3r, that was interesting. Do we think that the average index for ED acceptances is lower or higher than for RD?


Of the top of my head I'd guess lower, but I'd have to look into it more.


I quickly fiddled around with LSP and a 172, 3.745 appears to be the median with an index of 4.321. I don't know about average.



from the Columbia Law School website:

LSAT Median: 172
LSAT Mean: 171
LSAT 25/75 Percentile: 170/175

UGPA Median: 3.72
UGPA Mean: 3.69
UGPA 25/75 Percentile: 3.60/3.81

http://www.law.columbia.edu/jd_applican ... assprofile

edit: sry, this includes both ED and RD and URM/NR, so prob not relevant.


I'm surprised they haven't taken any >175 people yet. I know there's more than a few of us ED...

hint hint to you lurking adcomms
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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby irie » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:47 pm

VoidSix wrote:Did this thread really grow from 16 pages to 33 in the last few days (or am I mixing things up)? What the hell is going on?


Gossip Girl happened.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby gahthelaw » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:51 pm

irie wrote:
VoidSix wrote:Did this thread really grow from 16 pages to 33 in the last few days (or am I mixing things up)? What the hell is going on?


Gossip Girl happened.


i think it was the best distraction from waiting we've had so far in the waiting threads.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby Helmholtz » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:59 pm

VoidSix wrote:Edit: Nevermind, just saw LSN. What is the status of HELM!?


Not in. Expecting a rejection/deferral like I did going in. That's not to say I wouldn't be pleasantly surprised by CLS proving me wrong....

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby puppleberry finn » Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:01 pm

Tofu wrote:oh, i was just thinking that the adcomm would prefer to have a higher index, with exceptions being that the adcomm sees some people it really likes

so then the situation would be that people with higher #s are just applying RD because they want a chance at HYS, while those with slightly lower #s are applying ED

though.... i could be totally wrong. i have no idea what the adcomm is thinking!


I generally wonder what schools get out of ED, other then a (small) impact on yield.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby gahthelaw » Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:02 pm

puppins wrote:
Tofu wrote:oh, i was just thinking that the adcomm would prefer to have a higher index, with exceptions being that the adcomm sees some people it really likes

so then the situation would be that people with higher #s are just applying RD because they want a chance at HYS, while those with slightly lower #s are applying ED

though.... i could be totally wrong. i have no idea what the adcomm is thinking!


I generally wonder what schools get out of ED, other then a (small) impact on yield.


less agita, more monies?




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