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Helmholtz
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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby Helmholtz » Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:55 pm

puppins wrote:what is a "good" index? Mine is 4.5. What is that out of?


180/4.0 = 4.8 index.

IIRC, a 4.5 index score is really solid for RD.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby puppleberry finn » Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:56 pm

emrose wrote:
JollyGreenGiant wrote:
In the same section it is all the way over to the right on the LSAT SCORE DATA box.

Or you could type your numbers in law school predictor and it tells you your index.


Oh, I am index-less, but I think I know why.

edit: hai, puppins!


hai em! I'm glad we've found another thread to be jointly neurotic in!

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby oneforship » Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:56 pm

my index, on the other hand, is pathetic even by ED standards. damn my TTT gpa.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby CardinalRules » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:00 pm

Helmholtz wrote:
puppins wrote:what is a "good" index? Mine is 4.5. What is that out of?


180/4.0 = 4.8 index.

IIRC, a 4.5 index score is really solid for RD.


A 4.5 index is their 75th %ile, which means that you have an excellent chance, verging on auto-admit. An index is a good way of resolving splitters and reverse-splitters, since it balances GPAs with LSATs; there is a range of values in both categories that could lead to a certain index, since it is dependent on both variables. For example, mine is 4.8, although I didn't score a 180.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby Vegas_Rebel » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:04 pm

Man, I hope they really don't average LSATs, and that they really do take the rest of the file into account.

I'm toast if they don't. I'm less-crispy toast if they do.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby puppleberry finn » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:05 pm

managamy wrote:
Helmholtz wrote:
puppins wrote:what is a "good" index? Mine is 4.5. What is that out of?


180/4.0 = 4.8 index.

IIRC, a 4.5 index score is really solid for RD.


A 4.5 index is their 75th %ile, which means that you have an excellent chance, verging on auto-admit. An index is a good way of resolving splitters and reverse-splitters, since it balances GPAs with LSATs; there is a range of values in both categories that could lead to a certain index, since it is dependent on both variables. For example, mine is 4.8, although I didn't score a 180.


ummmmmm thanks?

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby Lieut Kaffee » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:07 pm

Vegas_Rebel wrote:Man, I hope they really don't average LSATs, and that they really do take the rest of the file into account.

I'm toast if they don't. I'm less-crispy toast if they do.


If they average LSAT, I wasted 80 bucks or whatever that application cost.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby superserial » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:16 pm

LieutKaffee wrote:
Vegas_Rebel wrote:Man, I hope they really don't average LSATs, and that they really do take the rest of the file into account.

I'm toast if they don't. I'm less-crispy toast if they do.


If they average LSAT, I wasted 80 bucks or whatever that application cost.


I'm pretty sure they don't.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby puppleberry finn » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:18 pm

After a quick calculation, I see that LSAC rounded my index down. Should I call and loudly complain, demanding they change it? or would it be better to call CLS in tears, making sure they realize that my index is ACTUALLY .04 higher and DOES THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE?!

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby Vegas_Rebel » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:21 pm

superserial wrote:
LieutKaffee wrote:
Vegas_Rebel wrote:Man, I hope they really don't average LSATs, and that they really do take the rest of the file into account.

I'm toast if they don't. I'm less-crispy toast if they do.


If they average LSAT, I wasted 80 bucks or whatever that application cost.


I'm pretty sure they don't.


I still hope not. Based on the formula, I'm somewhere between a 4.2 and a 3.8 depending on what numbers they use, with somewhere around a 4.0 / 4.1 most likely.

Curse my need to retake, and stupid mistakes 10 years ago. I wouldn't take a seat from a more qualified applicant, but I would like to be judged fairly.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby superserial » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:22 pm

Vegas_Rebel wrote:
superserial wrote:
LieutKaffee wrote:
Vegas_Rebel wrote:Man, I hope they really don't average LSATs, and that they really do take the rest of the file into account.

I'm toast if they don't. I'm less-crispy toast if they do.


If they average LSAT, I wasted 80 bucks or whatever that application cost.


I'm pretty sure they don't.


I still hope not. Based on the formula, I'm somewhere between a 4.2 and a 3.8 depending on what numbers they use, with somewhere around a 4.0 / 4.1 most likely.

Curse my need to retake, and stupid mistakes 10 years ago. I wouldn't take a seat from a more qualified applicant, but I would like to be judged fairly.


A bunch of people I know wouldn't have gotten in if CLS averaged.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby crackberry » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:22 pm

puppins wrote:After a quick calculation, I see that LSAC rounded my index down. Should I call and loudly complain, demanding they change it? or would it be better to call CLS in tears, making sure they realize that my index is ACTUALLY .04 higher and DOES THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE?!

I understand you're sarcastic but I'm actually pissed about this. Not about Columbia but about Stanford. My Stanford index is 3.499 and yet it's listed on my LSAC report as 3.4. So literally 1/1000 of point away from 3.5. It's of course possible that Stanford won't care at all about the index, but if they do that's pretty annoying.

EDIT: Corrected LSP index.
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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby SanBun » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:22 pm

superserial wrote:
LieutKaffee wrote:
Vegas_Rebel wrote:Man, I hope they really don't average LSATs, and that they really do take the rest of the file into account.

I'm toast if they don't. I'm less-crispy toast if they do.


If they average LSAT, I wasted 80 bucks or whatever that application cost.


I'm pretty sure they don't.


when the dean came to talk at my school, she said they take the higher lsat if it's 5pts+ or more.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby Helmholtz » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:23 pm

SanBun wrote:
superserial wrote:
LieutKaffee wrote:
Vegas_Rebel wrote:Man, I hope they really don't average LSATs, and that they really do take the rest of the file into account.

I'm toast if they don't. I'm less-crispy toast if they do.


If they average LSAT, I wasted 80 bucks or whatever that application cost.


I'm pretty sure they don't.


when the dean came to talk at my school, she said they take the higher lsat if it's 5pts+ or more.


This is pretty much what I've heard from everybody who's talked to admissions about this.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby puppleberry finn » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:24 pm

crackberry wrote:
puppins wrote:After a quick calculation, I see that LSAC rounded my index down. Should I call and loudly complain, demanding they change it? or would it be better to call CLS in tears, making sure they realize that my index is ACTUALLY .04 higher and DOES THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE?!

I understand you're sarcastic but I'm actually pissed about this. Not about Columbia but about Stanford. My Stanford index is 3.449 and yet it's listed on my LSAC report as 3.4. So literally 1/1000 of point away from 3.5. It's of course possible that Stanford won't care at all about the index, but if they do that's pretty annoying.


I wouldn't be surprised if Stanford (and CLS and whatnot) had their own software to keep track of applications that calculated your index itself, and then used said software to print out a summary/cover sheet for your file. At least some UGs work that way...

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby crackberry » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:27 pm

puppins wrote:
crackberry wrote:
puppins wrote:After a quick calculation, I see that LSAC rounded my index down. Should I call and loudly complain, demanding they change it? or would it be better to call CLS in tears, making sure they realize that my index is ACTUALLY .04 higher and DOES THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE?!

I understand you're sarcastic but I'm actually pissed about this. Not about Columbia but about Stanford. My Stanford index is 3.499 and yet it's listed on my LSAC report as 3.4. So literally 1/1000 of point away from 3.5. It's of course possible that Stanford won't care at all about the index, but if they do that's pretty annoying.


I wouldn't be surprised if Stanford (and CLS and whatnot) had their own software to keep track of applications that calculated your index itself, and then used said software to print out a summary/cover sheet for your file. At least some UGs work that way...

Well then let's hope the schools don't round to the nearest 0.1 huh?

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby puppleberry finn » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:32 pm

crackberry wrote:Well then let's hope the schools don't round to the nearest 0.1 huh?

Or in your case for Stanford, that they at least round in a way that everyone else in the world rounds instead of LSAC's apparent price-is-right mentality.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby Lmao Zedong » Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:11 pm

both columbia and stanford rounded my index up

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby JollyGreenGiant » Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:28 pm

managamy wrote:
Helmholtz wrote:
puppins wrote:what is a "good" index? Mine is 4.5. What is that out of?


180/4.0 = 4.8 index.

IIRC, a 4.5 index score is really solid for RD.


A 4.5 index is their 75th %ile, which means that you have an excellent chance, verging on auto-admit. An index is a good way of resolving splitters and reverse-splitters, since it balances GPAs with LSATs; there is a range of values in both categories that could lead to a certain index, since it is dependent on both variables. For example, mine is 4.8, although I didn't score a 180.

While I hope this is true.. I don't think it is necessarily. Looking at LSN, there are a lot of people who were 4.5+ index and still got WLed. Hopefully my early-cycle application allows me to avoid it.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby rrd8823 » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:03 am

Index = 4.352, applied ED

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby a.shoshana » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:15 am

Index: 4.5

Columbia: First choice (x10000000000).

Am kicking myself for not applying ED as decisions roll in. What was I thinking?!

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby irie » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:24 am

a.shoshana wrote:Index: 4.5

Columbia: First choice (x10000000000).

Am kicking myself for not applying ED as decisions roll in. What was I thinking?!



uh, you were probably thinking that with a 4.5 index you'd not only get in RD, but probably get some merit $$ out of it in the process.

you were thinking rationally :) just be patient, you won't have regrets in a few months from now.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby of Benito Cereno » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:47 am

is there a way to see our official columbia index?

i see on my lsac report that the average index is 4.3 and the higher avg is 4.5 (178 high and 174 avg). Any idea which is used?

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby hopefullaw27 » Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:12 am

any ideas on how many applicants are actually admitted early? a quick search on LSN of ED applicants only shows about 7 or 8 accepted a year (small sample size + some people may not demarcate ED on their profile). Yet, still worrisome.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby georgina » Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:19 am

just dropping by the join this thread!
RD, splitter with an index of 4.46 (since index # seems to be all the rage in here right now).

good luck to all of you waiting on ED!




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