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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby puppleberry finn » Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:04 pm

LieutKaffee wrote:
puppins wrote:I think if TLS is an influence in any way on admissions decisions, schools would only gun for higher rankings and nothing more.


I will say one thing. This revelation (and now I feel dumb for assuming USNWR used all three medians) definitely makes me think schools actually place significant weight on the predictive value of GPA and LSAT. I mean, I always knew that was the philosophy behind it, but now we can't attribute as 3.7's significant admissions advantage over a 3.2 to "medians."

I would also suggest comparing 25 to median to 75. It's interesting. Penn, for example, has a 25/75 at 3.48/3.88, but their median, 3.80, is clearly skewed toward the higher range. Very interesting.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby GeePee » Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:10 pm

puppins wrote:
LieutKaffee wrote:
puppins wrote:I think if TLS is an influence in any way on admissions decisions, schools would only gun for higher rankings and nothing more.


I will say one thing. This revelation (and now I feel dumb for assuming USNWR used all three medians) definitely makes me think schools actually place significant weight on the predictive value of GPA and LSAT. I mean, I always knew that was the philosophy behind it, but now we can't attribute as 3.7's significant admissions advantage over a 3.2 to "medians."

I would also suggest comparing 25 to median to 75. It's interesting. Penn, for example, has a 25/75 at 3.48/3.88, but their median, 3.80, is clearly skewed toward the higher range. Very interesting.

It's a measure of splitter friendliness. Generally, you might figure a normally distributed set of numbers for matrics, but the skewness toward the 75th allows schools to take more splitters to move up their medians at the expense of lower 25ths. Furthermore, lower 25ths is a better advertising strategy, because it makes it seem to people with 25th numbers that they have a shot and encourages them to apply, even though in reality they don't have a chance in hell.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby Lieut Kaffee » Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:13 pm

GeePee wrote:It's a measure of splitter friendliness. Generally, you might figure a normally distributed set of numbers for matrics, but the skewness toward the 75th allows schools to take more splitters to move up their medians at the expense of lower 25ths. Furthermore, lower 25ths is a better advertising strategy, because it makes it seem to people with 25th numbers that they have a shot and encourages them to apply, even though in reality they don't have a chance in hell.


Boooooooooo. My GPA is hovering around 25th at most schools to which I applied.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby crackberry » Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:14 pm

Is there a list of schools' medians anywhere? I can't seem to find one.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby CardinalRules » Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:15 pm

LieutKaffee wrote:
GeePee wrote:It's a measure of splitter friendliness. Generally, you might figure a normally distributed set of numbers for matrics, but the skewness toward the 75th allows schools to take more splitters to move up their medians at the expense of lower 25ths. Furthermore, lower 25ths is a better advertising strategy, because it makes it seem to people with 25th numbers that they have a shot and encourages them to apply, even though in reality they don't have a chance in hell.


Boooooooooo. My GPA is hovering around 25th at most schools to which I applied.


Obviously they have a chance, if 25% of the class is below that number. They could fall in that 25%. It's not a huge chance, I grant you, but not a negliglible one either.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby GeePee » Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:16 pm

LieutKaffee wrote:
GeePee wrote:It's a measure of splitter friendliness. Generally, you might figure a normally distributed set of numbers for matrics, but the skewness toward the 75th allows schools to take more splitters to move up their medians at the expense of lower 25ths. Furthermore, lower 25ths is a better advertising strategy, because it makes it seem to people with 25th numbers that they have a shot and encourages them to apply, even though in reality they don't have a chance in hell.


Boooooooooo. My GPA is hovering around 25th at most schools to which I applied.

I meant both 25ths... If you have an above-median LSAT at a splitter-friendly school, then you're actually looking quite good.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby CardinalRules » Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:26 pm

GeePee wrote:
LieutKaffee wrote:
GeePee wrote:It's a measure of splitter friendliness. Generally, you might figure a normally distributed set of numbers for matrics, but the skewness toward the 75th allows schools to take more splitters to move up their medians at the expense of lower 25ths. Furthermore, lower 25ths is a better advertising strategy, because it makes it seem to people with 25th numbers that they have a shot and encourages them to apply, even though in reality they don't have a chance in hell.


Boooooooooo. My GPA is hovering around 25th at most schools to which I applied.

I meant both 25ths... If you have an above-median LSAT at a splitter-friendly school, then you're actually looking quite good.


Oh, both 25ths...no, not good.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby puppleberry finn » Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:28 pm

GeePee wrote:It's a measure of splitter friendliness. Generally, you might figure a normally distributed set of numbers for matrics, but the skewness toward the 75th allows schools to take more splitters to move up their medians at the expense of lower 25ths. Furthermore, lower 25ths is a better advertising strategy, because it makes it seem to people with 25th numbers that they have a shot and encourages them to apply, even though in reality they don't have a chance in hell.


I agree that it suggests splitter friendliness, but I am skeptical about the advertisement aspect. I don't think the kind of person who looks at the 25% and the kind of person who thinks they have an unrealistically good chance at a school are the same.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby puppleberry finn » Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:30 pm

crackberry wrote:Is there a list of schools' medians anywhere? I can't seem to find one.

I looked them up individually on lsac.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby crackberry » Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:33 pm

puppins wrote:
crackberry wrote:Is there a list of schools' medians anywhere? I can't seem to find one.

I looked them up individually on lsac.

Yes but I was hoping maybe someone had compiled a list so I don't have to do the same kind of legwork you did.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby Helmholtz » Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:33 pm

crackberry wrote:
puppins wrote:
crackberry wrote:Is there a list of schools' medians anywhere? I can't seem to find one.

I looked them up individually on lsac.

Yes but I was hoping maybe someone had compiled a list so I don't have to do the same kind of legwork you did.


Doesn't the ABA have a giant spreadsheet?

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby puppleberry finn » Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:36 pm

crackberry wrote:
puppins wrote:
crackberry wrote:Is there a list of schools' medians anywhere? I can't seem to find one.

I looked them up individually on lsac.

Yes but I was hoping maybe someone had compiled a list so I don't have to do the same kind of legwork you did.

I was only comparing a few schools so it went quickly.

Yale: 3.9/173
Harvard: 3.88/173
CLS: 3.71/172
Penn: 3.80/170
Mich: 3.7/169

that's all I got.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby Kronk » Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:40 pm

puppins wrote:
crackberry wrote:
puppins wrote:
crackberry wrote:Is there a list of schools' medians anywhere? I can't seem to find one.

I looked them up individually on lsac.

Yes but I was hoping maybe someone had compiled a list so I don't have to do the same kind of legwork you did.

I was only comparing a few schools so it went quickly.

Yale: 3.9/173
Harvard: 3.88/173
CLS: 3.71/172
Penn: 3.80/170
Mich: 3.7/169

that's all I got.


Stanford 3.87 / 170

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby crackberry » Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:41 pm

VoidSix wrote:Stanford 3.87 / 170

I thought SLS bumped up to 171 last year?

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby puppleberry finn » Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:43 pm

Also, if you draw a box on a graph with the numbers (LSAT on one axis, gpa on another, and 25/75 as the top/bottom and left/right lines, michigan fits entirely inside of Penn. Weird!

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby Helmholtz » Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:44 pm

Helmholtz wrote:
crackberry wrote:
puppins wrote:
crackberry wrote:Is there a list of schools' medians anywhere? I can't seem to find one.

I looked them up individually on lsac.

Yes but I was hoping maybe someone had compiled a list so I don't have to do the same kind of legwork you did.


Doesn't the ABA have a giant spreadsheet?


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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby GeePee » Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:44 pm

puppins wrote:
GeePee wrote:It's a measure of splitter friendliness. Generally, you might figure a normally distributed set of numbers for matrics, but the skewness toward the 75th allows schools to take more splitters to move up their medians at the expense of lower 25ths. Furthermore, lower 25ths is a better advertising strategy, because it makes it seem to people with 25th numbers that they have a shot and encourages them to apply, even though in reality they don't have a chance in hell.


I agree that it suggests splitter friendliness, but I am skeptical about the advertisement aspect. I don't think the kind of person who looks at the 25% and the kind of person who thinks they have an unrealistically good chance at a school are the same.

It's an added bonus IMO. In no way do I think the schools actively seek the advertisement element. You'd be surprised at how many schmoes look at the USNews rankings to at least some extent.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby sm515 » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:05 pm

I'm in at Columbia as well!! I can't believe it! 3.7/173 (with two LSAT scores).

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby Lieut Kaffee » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:18 pm

Speaking of the rankings, is there a place where they are more quantified than on the TLS site and you can see how close schools are to adjacent schools? On what basis do a lot of TLS-ers make predictions such as "I predict school X will pass school Y next year"?
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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby kittenmittons » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:20 pm

LieutKaffee wrote:Speaking of the rankings, is there a place where they are more quantified than on the TLS site and you can see how close schools are to adjacent schools? On what basis to a lot of TLS-ers make predictions such as "I predict school X will pass school Y next year"?


Unsubstantiated conjecture

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby CardinalRules » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:21 pm

Is it mostly EDs or RDs accepted in this phase?

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby Lieut Kaffee » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:23 pm

managamy wrote:Is it mostly EDs or RDs accepted in this phase?


No RDs until January, as far as I know.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby Lmao Zedong » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:46 pm

sm515 wrote:I'm in at Columbia as well!! I can't believe it! 3.7/173 (with two LSAT scores).

lol, I love how everyones so wrapped up in the discussion that an acceptance, which is in theory what this thread is about, gets passed by

congrats!!! the trickle continues...

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby crackberry » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:30 pm

Helmholtz wrote:http://www.abanet.org/legaled/statistics/charts/OG%20Right%20Page%202008.xls

Thanks for this. Anyone else surprised Northwestern's LSAT median is 170? It's the only non-HYSCCN school with a median LSAT above 169.

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Re: Columbia 2010

Postby puppleberry finn » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:32 pm

crackberry wrote:
Helmholtz wrote:http://www.abanet.org/legaled/statistics/charts/OG%20Right%20Page%202008.xls

Thanks for this. Anyone else surprised Northwestern's LSAT median is 170? It's the only non-HYSCCN school with a median LSAT above 169.

penn's is 170...




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