I would also suggest comparing 25 to median to 75. It's interesting. Penn, for example, has a 25/75 at 3.48/3.88, but their median, 3.80, is clearly skewed toward the higher range. Very interesting.LieutKaffee wrote:I will say one thing. This revelation (and now I feel dumb for assuming USNWR used all three medians) definitely makes me think schools actually place significant weight on the predictive value of GPA and LSAT. I mean, I always knew that was the philosophy behind it, but now we can't attribute as 3.7's significant admissions advantage over a 3.2 to "medians."puppins wrote:I think if TLS is an influence in any way on admissions decisions, schools would only gun for higher rankings and nothing more.
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It's a measure of splitter friendliness. Generally, you might figure a normally distributed set of numbers for matrics, but the skewness toward the 75th allows schools to take more splitters to move up their medians at the expense of lower 25ths. Furthermore, lower 25ths is a better advertising strategy, because it makes it seem to people with 25th numbers that they have a shot and encourages them to apply, even though in reality they don't have a chance in hell.puppins wrote:I would also suggest comparing 25 to median to 75. It's interesting. Penn, for example, has a 25/75 at 3.48/3.88, but their median, 3.80, is clearly skewed toward the higher range. Very interesting.LieutKaffee wrote:I will say one thing. This revelation (and now I feel dumb for assuming USNWR used all three medians) definitely makes me think schools actually place significant weight on the predictive value of GPA and LSAT. I mean, I always knew that was the philosophy behind it, but now we can't attribute as 3.7's significant admissions advantage over a 3.2 to "medians."puppins wrote:I think if TLS is an influence in any way on admissions decisions, schools would only gun for higher rankings and nothing more.
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Boooooooooo. My GPA is hovering around 25th at most schools to which I applied.GeePee wrote: It's a measure of splitter friendliness. Generally, you might figure a normally distributed set of numbers for matrics, but the skewness toward the 75th allows schools to take more splitters to move up their medians at the expense of lower 25ths. Furthermore, lower 25ths is a better advertising strategy, because it makes it seem to people with 25th numbers that they have a shot and encourages them to apply, even though in reality they don't have a chance in hell.
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Is there a list of schools' medians anywhere? I can't seem to find one.
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Obviously they have a chance, if 25% of the class is below that number. They could fall in that 25%. It's not a huge chance, I grant you, but not a negliglible one either.LieutKaffee wrote:Boooooooooo. My GPA is hovering around 25th at most schools to which I applied.GeePee wrote: It's a measure of splitter friendliness. Generally, you might figure a normally distributed set of numbers for matrics, but the skewness toward the 75th allows schools to take more splitters to move up their medians at the expense of lower 25ths. Furthermore, lower 25ths is a better advertising strategy, because it makes it seem to people with 25th numbers that they have a shot and encourages them to apply, even though in reality they don't have a chance in hell.
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I meant both 25ths... If you have an above-median LSAT at a splitter-friendly school, then you're actually looking quite good.LieutKaffee wrote:Boooooooooo. My GPA is hovering around 25th at most schools to which I applied.GeePee wrote: It's a measure of splitter friendliness. Generally, you might figure a normally distributed set of numbers for matrics, but the skewness toward the 75th allows schools to take more splitters to move up their medians at the expense of lower 25ths. Furthermore, lower 25ths is a better advertising strategy, because it makes it seem to people with 25th numbers that they have a shot and encourages them to apply, even though in reality they don't have a chance in hell.
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Oh, both 25ths...no, not good.GeePee wrote:I meant both 25ths... If you have an above-median LSAT at a splitter-friendly school, then you're actually looking quite good.LieutKaffee wrote:Boooooooooo. My GPA is hovering around 25th at most schools to which I applied.GeePee wrote: It's a measure of splitter friendliness. Generally, you might figure a normally distributed set of numbers for matrics, but the skewness toward the 75th allows schools to take more splitters to move up their medians at the expense of lower 25ths. Furthermore, lower 25ths is a better advertising strategy, because it makes it seem to people with 25th numbers that they have a shot and encourages them to apply, even though in reality they don't have a chance in hell.
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I agree that it suggests splitter friendliness, but I am skeptical about the advertisement aspect. I don't think the kind of person who looks at the 25% and the kind of person who thinks they have an unrealistically good chance at a school are the same.GeePee wrote: It's a measure of splitter friendliness. Generally, you might figure a normally distributed set of numbers for matrics, but the skewness toward the 75th allows schools to take more splitters to move up their medians at the expense of lower 25ths. Furthermore, lower 25ths is a better advertising strategy, because it makes it seem to people with 25th numbers that they have a shot and encourages them to apply, even though in reality they don't have a chance in hell.
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I looked them up individually on lsac.crackberry wrote:Is there a list of schools' medians anywhere? I can't seem to find one.
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Yes but I was hoping maybe someone had compiled a list so I don't have to do the same kind of legwork you did.puppins wrote:I looked them up individually on lsac.crackberry wrote:Is there a list of schools' medians anywhere? I can't seem to find one.
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Doesn't the ABA have a giant spreadsheet?crackberry wrote:Yes but I was hoping maybe someone had compiled a list so I don't have to do the same kind of legwork you did.puppins wrote:I looked them up individually on lsac.crackberry wrote:Is there a list of schools' medians anywhere? I can't seem to find one.
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I was only comparing a few schools so it went quickly.crackberry wrote:Yes but I was hoping maybe someone had compiled a list so I don't have to do the same kind of legwork you did.puppins wrote:I looked them up individually on lsac.crackberry wrote:Is there a list of schools' medians anywhere? I can't seem to find one.
Yale: 3.9/173
Harvard: 3.88/173
CLS: 3.71/172
Penn: 3.80/170
Mich: 3.7/169
that's all I got.
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Stanford 3.87 / 170puppins wrote:I was only comparing a few schools so it went quickly.crackberry wrote:Yes but I was hoping maybe someone had compiled a list so I don't have to do the same kind of legwork you did.puppins wrote:I looked them up individually on lsac.crackberry wrote:Is there a list of schools' medians anywhere? I can't seem to find one.
Yale: 3.9/173
Harvard: 3.88/173
CLS: 3.71/172
Penn: 3.80/170
Mich: 3.7/169
that's all I got.
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I thought SLS bumped up to 171 last year?VoidSix wrote:Stanford 3.87 / 170
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Also, if you draw a box on a graph with the numbers (LSAT on one axis, gpa on another, and 25/75 as the top/bottom and left/right lines, michigan fits entirely inside of Penn. Weird!
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--LinkRemoved--Helmholtz wrote:Doesn't the ABA have a giant spreadsheet?crackberry wrote:Yes but I was hoping maybe someone had compiled a list so I don't have to do the same kind of legwork you did.puppins wrote:I looked them up individually on lsac.crackberry wrote:Is there a list of schools' medians anywhere? I can't seem to find one.
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It's an added bonus IMO. In no way do I think the schools actively seek the advertisement element. You'd be surprised at how many schmoes look at the USNews rankings to at least some extent.puppins wrote:I agree that it suggests splitter friendliness, but I am skeptical about the advertisement aspect. I don't think the kind of person who looks at the 25% and the kind of person who thinks they have an unrealistically good chance at a school are the same.GeePee wrote: It's a measure of splitter friendliness. Generally, you might figure a normally distributed set of numbers for matrics, but the skewness toward the 75th allows schools to take more splitters to move up their medians at the expense of lower 25ths. Furthermore, lower 25ths is a better advertising strategy, because it makes it seem to people with 25th numbers that they have a shot and encourages them to apply, even though in reality they don't have a chance in hell.
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I'm in at Columbia as well!! I can't believe it! 3.7/173 (with two LSAT scores).
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Speaking of the rankings, is there a place where they are more quantified than on the TLS site and you can see how close schools are to adjacent schools? On what basis do a lot of TLS-ers make predictions such as "I predict school X will pass school Y next year"?
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Unsubstantiated conjectureLieutKaffee wrote:Speaking of the rankings, is there a place where they are more quantified than on the TLS site and you can see how close schools are to adjacent schools? On what basis to a lot of TLS-ers make predictions such as "I predict school X will pass school Y next year"?
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Is it mostly EDs or RDs accepted in this phase?
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No RDs until January, as far as I know.managamy wrote:Is it mostly EDs or RDs accepted in this phase?
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lol, I love how everyones so wrapped up in the discussion that an acceptance, which is in theory what this thread is about, gets passed bysm515 wrote:I'm in at Columbia as well!! I can't believe it! 3.7/173 (with two LSAT scores).
congrats!!! the trickle continues...
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Thanks for this. Anyone else surprised Northwestern's LSAT median is 170? It's the only non-HYSCCN school with a median LSAT above 169.Helmholtz wrote:http://www.abanet.org/legaled/statistic ... 202008.xls
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penn's is 170...crackberry wrote:Thanks for this. Anyone else surprised Northwestern's LSAT median is 170? It's the only non-HYSCCN school with a median LSAT above 169.Helmholtz wrote:http://www.abanet.org/legaled/statistic ... 202008.xls
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