Harvard Waitlist Statistics

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Re: Harvard Waitlist Statistics

Postby zipzoop » Wed May 14, 2008 12:57 pm

so in other words you're selfishly hogging a place for people with a genuine interest in attending.

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Re: Harvard Waitlist Statistics

Postby jerry maguire » Wed May 14, 2008 1:38 pm

Yeah so selfish of me...I deserve the place as much as anyone else, and after I reject their offer, if it is extended, another person will get in, so really I'm doing someone else a favor.

Check and mate

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Re: Harvard Waitlist Statistics

Postby zipzoop » Wed May 14, 2008 1:54 pm

Check, not mate. The longer the wait until the offer is extended to that hypothetical someone, the greater the chances that that person will not be able to accommodate it for pragmatic reasons (apartment rental, significant other, etc.). In addition, the WL email asks applicants to remain on the list only if they are serious about attending. Given your last post, you are not serious about attending.

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Re: Harvard Waitlist Statistics

Postby sometimes we wear hats » Wed May 14, 2008 1:59 pm

jerry maguire wrote:Yeah so selfish of me...I deserve the place as much as anyone else, and after I reject their offer, if it is extended, another person will get in, so really I'm doing someone else a favor.

Check and mate
I don't see the logic here. How are you doing someone a favor by taking up space on a waitlist when you have zero intention of enrolling? That other person getting in would still be better served by you not wasting Harvard's time. Also, it sounds like a verbal commitment and expression of interest in attending is a large part of getting to an acceptance of the WL. So no, you don't deserve a place as much as anyone else.

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Re: Harvard Waitlist Statistics

Postby zipzoop » Wed May 14, 2008 2:00 pm

Now it's check mate.

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Re: Harvard Waitlist Statistics

Postby jerry maguire » Wed May 14, 2008 2:01 pm

Then that hypothetical person really wasn't serious about attending either, was he?

There is absolutely no problem with staying on a waitlist no matter what my intentions, as the pragmatism of someone accommodating for Harvard is pretty likely. Otherwise, they are remiss themselves on remaining on a WL if they cannot actually attend...

Mate

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Re: Harvard Waitlist Statistics

Postby zipzoop » Wed May 14, 2008 2:03 pm

Wow this is annoying. I hereby extricate myself from this. But seriously, holding a spot you don't intend to use is at best a neutral move - a "favor" it's not.

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Re: Harvard Waitlist Statistics

Postby jerry maguire » Wed May 14, 2008 2:04 pm

sometimes we wear hats wrote:
jerry maguire wrote:Yeah so selfish of me...I deserve the place as much as anyone else, and after I reject their offer, if it is extended, another person will get in, so really I'm doing someone else a favor.

Check and mate
I don't see the logic here. How are you doing someone a favor by taking up space on a waitlist when you have zero intention of enrolling? That other person getting in would still be better served by you not wasting Harvard's time. Also, it sounds like a verbal commitment and expression of interest in attending is a large part of getting to an acceptance of the WL. So no, you don't deserve a place as much as anyone else.



I'm helping someone else because I will not accept the offer of admission, meaning someone else will get in. Whereas if I accepted, then they wouldn't. Understand?

It sounds like? It sounds like a school should be interested in me when they offer admission, why should I be interested beyond my application? That alone should show my interest in the school, I don't need to await their phone call day in and day out, putting off plans because of an obsession.

My application has merited a WL spot, like others. So yes, my place is as deserved as anyone elses.

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Re: Harvard Waitlist Statistics

Postby jerry maguire » Wed May 14, 2008 2:05 pm

zipzoop wrote:Wow this is annoying. I hereby extricate myself from this. But seriously, holding a spot you don't intend to use is at best a neutral move - a "favor" it's not.


I'm saying my rejection of their offer is a favor. Keep up.

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Re: Harvard Waitlist Statistics

Postby jerry maguire » Wed May 14, 2008 2:20 pm

pwnage

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Re: Harvard Waitlist Statistics

Postby Phoenix Wright » Wed May 14, 2008 2:21 pm

jerry maguire wrote:
zipzoop wrote:Wow this is annoying. I hereby extricate myself from this. But seriously, holding a spot you don't intend to use is at best a neutral move - a "favor" it's not.


I'm saying my rejection of their offer is a favor. Keep up.


The point I think others are trying to make (or at least the point I will now attempt to make) is that the simple act of staying on the WL at this point, if you have no intention of attending or accepting an offer, is not doing any favors for people who truly are interested.

For example, say you are spot number 20 (arbitrary) on the list, and Harvard makes their second wave of WL offers through the end of this week up until May 16th and the cutoff point is you - Mr #20. Now also suppose that #21 is Johnny C Waiting who really really wants to go to Harvard, but for various other "pragmatic" reasons (to borrow someone else's terminology) must make some other unchangeable decisions by May 16th. So even if you reject the offer within a few days, Johnny C Waiting must give up his waiting position because it's simply too late. Now explain how are you doing him a favor?

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Re: Harvard Waitlist Statistics

Postby zipzoop » Wed May 14, 2008 2:24 pm

TITCR

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Re: Harvard Waitlist Statistics

Postby jerry maguire » Wed May 14, 2008 2:27 pm

Phoenix Wright wrote:
jerry maguire wrote:
zipzoop wrote:Wow this is annoying. I hereby extricate myself from this. But seriously, holding a spot you don't intend to use is at best a neutral move - a "favor" it's not.


I'm saying my rejection of their offer is a favor. Keep up.


The point I think others are trying to make (or at least the point I will now attempt to make) is that the simple act of staying on the WL at this point, if you have no intention of attending or accepting an offer, is not doing any favors for people who truly are interested.

For example, say you are spot number 20 (arbitrary) on the list, and Harvard makes their second wave of WL offers through the end of this week up until May 16th and the cutoff point is you - Mr #20. Now also suppose that #21 is Johnny C Waiting who really really wants to go to Harvard, but for various other "pragmatic" reasons (to borrow someone else's terminology) must make some other unchangeable decisions by May 16th. So even if you reject the offer within a few days, Johnny C Waiting must give up his waiting position because it's simply too late. Now explain how are you doing him a favor?



First off, this scenario would never happen because Harvard doesn't rank its WL.
Two, I'm doing #22 a favor, one that she will no doubt do sexual favors for.
Three, we are all acting in our best interest, except that MY best interest helps girl #22.

Pwnd

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Re: Harvard Waitlist Statistics

Postby Phoenix Wright » Wed May 14, 2008 2:27 pm

To add a second point: if you want to be selfish and stay on the list, then so be it. Many people are "every man for themself" and that's a personal thing. But trying to pass it off as doing someone else a favor is the falacy here.

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Re: Harvard Waitlist Statistics

Postby zipzoop » Wed May 14, 2008 2:28 pm

What unassailable logic and incisive wit.

Edit: Not directed at you, pheonix
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Re: Harvard Waitlist Statistics

Postby iwasgoingtobeasenator » Wed May 14, 2008 2:29 pm

Glad to see that Harvard WLs the d-bags. [/Runs Away]

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Re: Harvard Waitlist Statistics

Postby jerry maguire » Wed May 14, 2008 2:30 pm

lolz you n00bs are missing the favor.

MY REJECTION OF THEIR OFFER IS ALLOWING ANOTHER PERSON IN OFF THE LIST

the real selfish people are the ones who accept the Harvard offer, taking a spot that someone else could have

I'm the hero here, you diehards are the selfish ones

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Re: Harvard Waitlist Statistics

Postby Phoenix Wright » Wed May 14, 2008 2:34 pm

jerry maguire wrote:
Phoenix Wright wrote:
jerry maguire wrote:
zipzoop wrote:Wow this is annoying. I hereby extricate myself from this. But seriously, holding a spot you don't intend to use is at best a neutral move - a "favor" it's not.


I'm saying my rejection of their offer is a favor. Keep up.


The point I think others are trying to make (or at least the point I will now attempt to make) is that the simple act of staying on the WL at this point, if you have no intention of attending or accepting an offer, is not doing any favors for people who truly are interested.

For example, say you are spot number 20 (arbitrary) on the list, and Harvard makes their second wave of WL offers through the end of this week up until May 16th and the cutoff point is you - Mr #20. Now also suppose that #21 is Johnny C Waiting who really really wants to go to Harvard, but for various other "pragmatic" reasons (to borrow someone else's terminology) must make some other unchangeable decisions by May 16th. So even if you reject the offer within a few days, Johnny C Waiting must give up his waiting position because it's simply too late. Now explain how are you doing him a favor?



First off, this scenario would never happen because Harvard doesn't rank its WL.
Two, I'm doing #22 a favor, one that she will no doubt do sexual favors for.
Three, we are all acting in our best interest, except that MY best interest helps girl #22.

Pwnd


1. Your reasoning is flawed. First you dispute the validaty of my waitlist numbering argument, but then you use the numbering system in your own counterargument.

2. Whether or not they actually do number the WL is immaterial anyway; the spirit remains the same if somehow you get in and Johnny C Waiting does not.

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Re: Harvard Waitlist Statistics

Postby serenavanderwoodsen » Wed May 14, 2008 2:36 pm

I think that's enough. Waitlists are stressful. Everyone has his or her own reasons for making decisions. Can we please keep this thread positive? I like the solidarity aspect; we're all in a tough spot. No need for negativity.

Good luck to everyone still waiting! 8)

SVDW

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Re: Harvard Waitlist Statistics

Postby jerry maguire » Wed May 14, 2008 2:38 pm

The point I think others are trying to make (or at least the point I will now attempt to make) is that the simple act of staying on the WL at this point, if you have no intention of attending or accepting an offer, is not doing any favors for people who truly are interested.

For example, say you are spot number 20 (arbitrary) on the list, and Harvard makes their second wave of WL offers through the end of this week up until May 16th and the cutoff point is you - Mr #20. Now also suppose that #21 is Johnny C Waiting who really really wants to go to Harvard, but for various other "pragmatic" reasons (to borrow someone else's terminology) must make some other unchangeable decisions by May 16th. So even if you reject the offer within a few days, Johnny C Waiting must give up his waiting position because it's simply too late. Now explain how are you doing him a favor?[/quote]


First off, this scenario would never happen because Harvard doesn't rank its WL.
Two, I'm doing #22 a favor, one that she will no doubt do sexual favors for.
Three, we are all acting in our best interest, except that MY best interest helps girl #22.

Pwnd[/quote]

1. Your reasoning is flawed. First you dispute the validaty of my waitlist numbering argument, but then you use the numbering system in your own counterargument.

2. Whether or not they actually do number the WL is immaterial anyway; the spirit remains the same if somehow you get in and Johnny C Waiting does not.[/quote]

I used your #s to show you how in your own fictional scenario I would still be doing someone a favor

Additionally, Johnny does not get in, but another person will, therefore I am still doing someone a favor

Three, your anime is flawed

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Re: Harvard Waitlist Statistics

Postby jerry maguire » Wed May 14, 2008 2:41 pm

serenavanderwoodsen wrote:I think that's enough. Waitlists are stressful. Everyone has his or her own reasons for making decisions. Can we please keep this thread positive? I like the solidarity aspect; we're all in a tough spot. No need for negativity.

Good luck to everyone still waiting! 8)

SVDW


who died and made you moderator? i should be commended by my willingness to reject an offer off the WL, yet these jewbags continue their unreasonable bickering.

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Re: Harvard Waitlist Statistics

Postby zipzoop » Wed May 14, 2008 2:44 pm

jerry maguire wrote:
serenavanderwoodsen wrote:I think that's enough. Waitlists are stressful. Everyone has his or her own reasons for making decisions. Can we please keep this thread positive? I like the solidarity aspect; we're all in a tough spot. No need for negativity.

Good luck to everyone still waiting! 8)

SVDW


who died and made you moderator? i should be commended by my willingness to reject an offer off the WL, yet these jewbags continue their unreasonable bickering.


chill out dude.

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Re: Harvard Waitlist Statistics

Postby Phoenix Wright » Wed May 14, 2008 2:44 pm

serenavanderwoodsen wrote:I think that's enough. Waitlists are stressful. Everyone has his or her own reasons for making decisions. Can we please keep this thread positive? I like the solidarity aspect; we're all in a tough spot. No need for negativity.

Good luck to everyone still waiting! 8)

SVDW


Agreed, I have had enough.

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Re: Harvard Waitlist Statistics

Postby Da Stain » Wed May 14, 2008 2:45 pm

jerry maguire wrote:
serenavanderwoodsen wrote:I think that's enough. Waitlists are stressful. Everyone has his or her own reasons for making decisions. Can we please keep this thread positive? I like the solidarity aspect; we're all in a tough spot. No need for negativity.

Good luck to everyone still waiting! 8)

SVDW


who died and made you moderator? i should be commended by my willingness to reject an offer off the WL, yet these jewbags continue their unreasonable bickering.


Jewbag.... real classy. Prick.....

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Re: Harvard Waitlist Statistics

Postby zipzoop » Wed May 14, 2008 2:49 pm

I apologize to all and sundry for starting this argument. It's not my job to point fingers. Let's bring back the optimism!




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