NYU c/o 2020 -- WAIT LIST (New Poll!)

[melmelcoolj]

I suspect NYU typically wouldn't match an offer from Duke anyways? They'd consider it sure, but I can't imagine they'd match it? They might not have funds now, but some should open up depending if people drop I imagine.

I don't think NYU would match any offer outside Chicago & Columbia - for those are its official "peer" schools - and HYS does not have this merit scholarship deal at all. So if you have no offers from Chicago or Columbia, or an acceptance from HYS, I think we can safely conclude you are out of luck with serious money. They might throw some coins at you if they decide to pity you.

[34iplaw]

I suspect NYU typically wouldn't match an offer from Duke anyways? They'd consider it sure, but I can't imagine they'd match it? They might not have funds now, but some should open up depending if people drop I imagine.

I don't think NYU would match any offer outside Chicago & Columbia - for those are its official "peer" schools - and HYS does not have this merit scholarship deal at all. So if you have no offers from Chicago or Columbia, or an acceptance from HYS, I think we can safely conclude you are out of luck with serious money. They might throw some coins at you if they decide to pity you.

Yeah - I agree with that assessment. Maybe they'd consider money from Penn too, but that's still probably unlikely at this point in the game. Then again, NYU isn't worth that much more than PMVD

[melmelcoolj]

I suspect NYU typically wouldn't match an offer from Duke anyways? They'd consider it sure, but I can't imagine they'd match it? They might not have funds now, but some should open up depending if people drop I imagine.

I don't think NYU would match any offer outside Chicago & Columbia - for those are its official "peer" schools - and HYS does not have this merit scholarship deal at all. So if you have no offers from Chicago or Columbia, or an acceptance from HYS, I think we can safely conclude you are out of luck with serious money. They might throw some coins at you if they decide to pity you.

Yeah - I agree with that assessment. Maybe they'd consider money from Penn too, but that's still probably unlikely at this point in the game. Then again, NYU isn't worth that much more than PMVD

Yeah, I agree. I feel so bad for making my parents pay sticker at NYU (arguably the most expensive school in the world, lol) plus a life in Greenwich Village. That sounds like what spoiled reality TV stars do, though I don't mind being one. HAHAHA, so in a way, maybe it's better if the option just doesn't arise, so I would not be tempted.

[34iplaw]

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Yeah - I feel ya. I'll have to see. I wonder if you can actually negotiate on the WLs if you burn some money on a few deposits.

[Zipman]

I suspect NYU typically wouldn't match an offer from Duke anyways? They'd consider it sure, but I can't imagine they'd match it? They might not have funds now, but some should open up depending if people drop I imagine.

The feeler email explicitly states that no more merit scholarships will be awarded

[34iplaw]

I suspect NYU typically wouldn't match an offer from Duke anyways? They'd consider it sure, but I can't imagine they'd match it? They might not have funds now, but some should open up depending if people drop I imagine.

The feeler email explicitly states that no more merit scholarships will be awarded

I was speaking more generally. With the last point, it's just speculation, but I wouldn't be necessarily certain. If in at NYU off the WL and I got CLS or H, I'd absolutely email them (and recommend anyone with offers they'd negotiate with typically) to see if there's any money available, especially since people who have awards may still drop. That money goes somewhere.

[jessmeesh]

I suspect NYU typically wouldn't match an offer from Duke anyways? They'd consider it sure, but I can't imagine they'd match it? They might not have funds now, but some should open up depending if people drop I imagine.

The feeler email explicitly states that no more merit scholarships will be awarded

This.

I get that people are hopeful they'll be the exception, but NYU has been clear on the matter.

[Zipman]

I suspect NYU typically wouldn't match an offer from Duke anyways? They'd consider it sure, but I can't imagine they'd match it? They might not have funds now, but some should open up depending if people drop I imagine.

The feeler email explicitly states that no more merit scholarships will be awarded

I was speaking more generally. With the last point, it's just speculation, but I wouldn't be necessarily certain. If in at NYU off the WL and I got CLS or H, I'd absolutely email them (and recommend anyone with offers they'd negotiate with typically) to see if there's any money available, especially since people who have awards may still drop. That money goes somewhere.

I feel like your leverage goes down significantly if you respond affirmatively to a feeler email that says they won't be giving you any money- you've basically told them you'd be willing to pay full price.

Additionally, scholarships aren't a 0 sum total. Ascots are aware that not everyone who gets offered a scholarship will take it, and build that into their calculations.

[charles117]

Any news?

[melmelcoolj]

I suspect NYU typically wouldn't match an offer from Duke anyways? They'd consider it sure, but I can't imagine they'd match it? They might not have funds now, but some should open up depending if people drop I imagine.

The feeler email explicitly states that no more merit scholarships will be awarded

I was speaking more generally. With the last point, it's just speculation, but I wouldn't be necessarily certain. If in at NYU off the WL and I got CLS or H, I'd absolutely email them (and recommend anyone with offers they'd negotiate with typically) to see if there's any money available, especially since people who have awards may still drop. That money goes somewhere.

I feel like your leverage goes down significantly if you respond affirmatively to a feeler email that says they won't be giving you any money- you've basically told them you'd be willing to pay full price.

Additionally, scholarships aren't a 0 sum total. Ascots are aware that not everyone who gets offered a scholarship will take it, and build that into their calculations.

I mean in Zipman's case, he could have just have responded to the feeler by explicitly stating he won't go unless there is X amount of money. After all, he is not going to NYU - he might as well just be clear with them, and maybe they would throw some coins at him.

[SybillAnnDorsett]

Can we get back to me now?
Been waiting on this dream since September, people. Let's go, NYU. Hand it over. You know you want to.

Ugh god I hate me.

[34iplaw]

This.

I get that people are hopeful they'll be the exception, but NYU has been clear on the matter.

It doesn't have to deal with thinking you will be the exception. It's understanding that the school is incentivezed to offer you as little as possible while still getting you to commit and interpreting their communications with that in mind. I'm not saying anyone should expect money but one shouldn't write off receiving money just because NYU (or any accom) sent some email out. That's really all I was trying to get at.

I suspect NYU typically wouldn't match an offer from Duke anyways? They'd consider it sure, but I can't imagine they'd match it? They might not have funds now, but some should open up depending if people drop I imagine.

The feeler email explicitly states that no more merit scholarships will be awarded

I was speaking more generally. With the last point, it's just speculation, but I wouldn't be necessarily certain. If in at NYU off the WL and I got CLS or H, I'd absolutely email them (and recommend anyone with offers they'd negotiate with typically) to see if there's any money available, especially since people who have awards may still drop. That money goes somewhere.

I feel like your leverage goes down significantly if you respond affirmatively to a feeler email that says they won't be giving you any money- you've basically told them you'd be willing to pay full price.

Additionally, scholarships aren't a 0 sum total. Ascots are aware that not everyone who gets offered a scholarship will take it, and build that into their calculations.

I mean in Zipman's case, he could have just have responded to the feeler by explicitly stating he won't go unless there is X amount of money. After all, he is not going to NYU - he might as well just be clear with them, and maybe they would throw some coins at him.

@zip; that's fair enough and I agree. I think you regain some leverage when admitted and could hurt their yield. That said, I feel like we are teetering on arguing past each other rather than something quasi productive. My point is I do not believe anyone should take a LS's communication at face value. If you have the comparable offers, I'd, personally, keep it close to your chest until in a stronger bargaining position - ie admitted - but I'm not an expert on the matter. I'm

@mel; would one not be better served by waiting until they are admitted to share that? In one case, they can't afford you so they won't offer. In the other, you will still marginally impact their yield numbers. To me, it seems like they are more incentivized to negotiate once you are extended an offer.

[melmelcoolj]

This.

I get that people are hopeful they'll be the exception, but NYU has been clear on the matter.

It doesn't have to deal with thinking you will be the exception. It's understanding that the school is incentivezed to offer you as little as possible while still getting you to commit and interpreting their communications with that in mind. I'm not saying anyone should expect money but one shouldn't write off receiving money just because NYU (or any accom) sent some email out. That's really all I was trying to get at.

I suspect NYU typically wouldn't match an offer from Duke anyways? They'd consider it sure, but I can't imagine they'd match it? They might not have funds now, but some should open up depending if people drop I imagine.

The feeler email explicitly states that no more merit scholarships will be awarded

I was speaking more generally. With the last point, it's just speculation, but I wouldn't be necessarily certain. If in at NYU off the WL and I got CLS or H, I'd absolutely email them (and recommend anyone with offers they'd negotiate with typically) to see if there's any money available, especially since people who have awards may still drop. That money goes somewhere.

I feel like your leverage goes down significantly if you respond affirmatively to a feeler email that says they won't be giving you any money- you've basically told them you'd be willing to pay full price.

Additionally, scholarships aren't a 0 sum total. Ascots are aware that not everyone who gets offered a scholarship will take it, and build that into their calculations.

I mean in Zipman's case, he could have just have responded to the feeler by explicitly stating he won't go unless there is X amount of money. After all, he is not going to NYU - he might as well just be clear with them, and maybe they would throw some coins at him.

@zip; that's fair enough and I agree. I think you regain some leverage when admitted and could hurt their yield. That said, I feel like we are teetering on arguing past each other rather than something quasi productive. My point is I do not believe anyone should take a LS's communication at face value. If you have the comparable offers, I'd, personally, keep it close to your chest until in a stronger bargaining position - ie admitted - but I'm not an expert on the matter. I'm

@mel; would one not be better served by waiting until they are admitted to share that? In one case, they can't afford you so they won't offer. In the other, you will still marginally impact their yield numbers. To me, it seems like they are more incentivized to negotiate once you are extended an offer.

I agree what you are saying - that is, if you really want NYU.

As with any negotiation, how much power you have partly relies on whether you are okay with simply walking away from the deal. If one's okay with walking away (like Zip did, for he decided to attend a different school), I don't think ultimately he has much to lose.

On the other the hand, now that Zip responded to NYU saying he would attend without money, they already know his bottom line. Of course, you can always go back on your offer, and say now you want money later in the process - but that would be harder. And NYU does not seem to be one of the crazy YP schools. In my case, I probably should just play it safe - since I am less willing to walk away from an NYU offer, even if it's at sticker.

[34iplaw]

@mel; I think playing it safe until the offer is extended is 100% the way to go. That said, you are 100% right in that your ultimate chip is walking away. That has way more value once admitted though. I'm more or less the same boat as you but I'm crushing a bit on one school a bit more. I'd be down to clown at NYU though.

All your and Zips points are fair. I was concerned we'd get into a place of arguing past each other.

Real talk tho: I'm fed up with LOCIs

[SybillAnnDorsett]

Real talk tho: I'm fed up with LOCIs everything NYU

[jessmeesh]

Real talk tho: I'm fed up with LOCIs

I'm dragging my feet on my June LOCIs. I wish it were acceptable to say "Nothing's changed on my end, still waiting on you" and be done with it. lol

[StopLawying]

Am I the only one who thinks these LOCIs don't really help?
The only words they want to hear are "if accepted, I'll attend." So I guess if you include that it'll help somewhat.
That's why at this point, all I'm doing is sending short emails saying I'm still interested, and if offered admission, I'd definitely attend. That's really all that matters to them IMHO.

[jessmeesh]

Am I the only one who thinks these LOCIs don't really help?
The only words they want to hear are "if accepted, I'll attend." So I guess if you include that it'll help somewhat.
That's why at this point, all I'm doing is sending short emails saying I'm still interested, and if offered admission, I'd definitely attend. That's really all that matters to them IMHO.

I won't disagree that anything beyond "I'll attend if accepted" likely doesn't do much. But given what's at stake I can't bring myself to half-ass it. I would absolutely hate myself if I couldn't manage to pump out a decent letter once a month that makes even the smallest difference.

[34iplaw]

Am I the only one who thinks these LOCIs don't really help?
The only words they want to hear are "if accepted, I'll attend." So I guess if you include that it'll help somewhat.
That's why at this point, all I'm doing is sending short emails saying I'm still interested, and if offered admission, I'd definitely attend. That's really all that matters to them IMHO.

I won't disagree that anything beyond "I'll attend if accepted" likely doesn't do much. But given what's at stake I can't bring myself to half-ass it. I would absolutely hate myself if I couldn't manage to pump out a decent letter once a month that makes even the smallest difference.

I don't think sending anything more detailed helps to a great deal, but I do think sending nothing probably hurts a great deal.

[ktgjoon]

Am I the only one who thinks these LOCIs don't really help?
The only words they want to hear are "if accepted, I'll attend." So I guess if you include that it'll help somewhat.
That's why at this point, all I'm doing is sending short emails saying I'm still interested, and if offered admission, I'd definitely attend. That's really all that matters to them IMHO.

I have a source at NYU law and who is very familiar with other law school app processes as well that basically openly said to me that they pretty much don't even read LOCIs, they just note the fact that one was sent in. They're pretty much pointless beyond the "if accepted i'll attend" mumbo jumbo.

That being said of course I have sent in multiple and treated each one like it was a life or death situation tbh....ugh

[StopLawying]

Am I the only one who thinks these LOCIs don't really help?
The only words they want to hear are "if accepted, I'll attend." So I guess if you include that it'll help somewhat.
That's why at this point, all I'm doing is sending short emails saying I'm still interested, and if offered admission, I'd definitely attend. That's really all that matters to them IMHO.

I have a source at NYU law and who is very familiar with other law school app processes as well that basically openly said to me that they pretty much don't even read LOCIs, they just note the fact that one was sent in. They're pretty much pointless beyond the "if accepted i'll attend" mumbo jumbo.

That being said of course I have sent in multiple and treated each one like it was a life or death situation tbh....ugh

I spent a ton of time on my first LOCI, even sending it out via snail mail, and while I don't regret it, I realized that it probably didn't help much. Since then, I've just been sending short emails notifying them of my continued interest. Really interesting what you said about them not even opening up the LOCIs, if true that's kind of crazy, but it honestly wouldn't surprise me.

I've been following a lot of the waitlist threads, and there were plenty of students who got accepted without even sending a LOCI. If a school likes your numbers/ URM status, etc. they'll just send you a feeler email asking if you're still interested. So the LOCI is kinda pointless anyway, maybe the only way I see if helping is by minimizing the waitlist, like Georgetown did.

Also, we're all neurotic here, so everyone just follows what everyone else is doing. I'm not gonna lie, I see a few ppl post that they've sent a LOCI, and then I'm like " I just sent one a few days ago, maybe I should send one again because Sylbill and 34ipLaw sent one lol. I must be behind, and if I don't send one today, I won't get accepted."

Also it doesn't help that you have all these consultants telling people that LOCIs are the difference between getting/not getting accepted. Ok, maybe they don't say that, but you get the point. They need to stay in business, right?

Anyway there's my rant. To any future applicant, I tell them to just focus on the two things that'll determine where you'll end up: LSAT and GPA. That's really it.

[34iplaw]

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Sincerely,
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[thehours]

ok but seriously what is going on

[Instrumental]

One of the users accepted from the last batch mentioned a decision deadline of June 13th so... should we expect silence until then?

[mtf612]

Sent a LoCi the week before waitlisted. Still Acwl 5/1. Should I send another LoCi/why x??

Above both medians fwiw.