Harvard Law c/o 2020 Waitlist

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Still standing? Where in the WL process are you?

JSNone-> WL -> Have Withdrawn since
7
13%
JSNone-> WL (will ride it out)
12
23%
JSNone-> WL (planning to withdraw)
2
4%
JSNone-> WL-> Dinged or/ No JS1 yet or/ No JS2 yet
8
15%
JSNone-> WL -> JS1 -> JS2 !!
4
8%
JS1 -> WL -> Have Withdrawn since
1
2%
JS1 -> WL (will ride it out)
17
32%
JS1 -> WL (planning to withdraw)
0
No votes
JS1 -> WL -> Dinged or/ No JS1b yet or/ No JS2 yet
0
No votes
JS1 -> WL -> Had JS1b -> JS2 !!
2
4%
 
Total votes: 53

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Waitlist

Postby Rigo » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:39 pm

SpookySalem92 wrote:
Rigo wrote:
enoca wrote:Honestly given the huge drop off in 171+ LSATs this year, I doubt using previous years as a guidepost is gonna be too useful. H has a huge class drawn almost exclusively from the scores that have dropped off. They are gonna have to tread pretty carefully if want to maintain their medians/75ths. My guess is they will consider some folks who would normally have almost no chance, and the waitlist will see a decent amount of action.

Yeah a lot will depend on if they're like ahh fuck it this month and realize a 171 is gonna happen and just start GPA whoring.

Interesting...so you think if the accept a drop in LSAT scores they'd try to improve their GPA profile to compensate? Why wouldn't that place upward pressure on prioritizing higher LSAT individuals on the WL, or conversely just accepting the numerical profile as is and focusing on softs etc...

Logically if they concede that their LSAT median will fall, higher GPA's would be favored off WL.
If their 172 is in a precarious position and they need to fortify that, the splitters will be more likely to get WL love.

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Waitlist

Postby sittykitty » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:44 pm

Rigo wrote:
SpookySalem92 wrote:
Rigo wrote:
enoca wrote:Honestly given the huge drop off in 171+ LSATs this year, I doubt using previous years as a guidepost is gonna be too useful. H has a huge class drawn almost exclusively from the scores that have dropped off. They are gonna have to tread pretty carefully if want to maintain their medians/75ths. My guess is they will consider some folks who would normally have almost no chance, and the waitlist will see a decent amount of action.

Yeah a lot will depend on if they're like ahh fuck it this month and realize a 171 is gonna happen and just start GPA whoring.

Interesting...so you think if the accept a drop in LSAT scores they'd try to improve their GPA profile to compensate? Why wouldn't that place upward pressure on prioritizing higher LSAT individuals on the WL, or conversely just accepting the numerical profile as is and focusing on softs etc...

Logically if they concede that their LSAT median will fall, higher GPA's would be favored off WL.
If their 172 is in a precarious position and they need to fortify that, the splitters will be more likely to get WL love.

I know you're in the other boat Rigo but for my own sake I have to keep praying to my lucky stars that they'll prioritize keeping that LSAT median up.

But also I think we can surmise that they don't have a strategy on that front yet considering the mish mash of numerical profiles currently on the wait list?

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Waitlist

Postby Rigo » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:46 pm

sittykitty wrote:I know you're in the other boat Rigo but for my own sake I have to keep praying to my lucky stars that they'll prioritize keeping that LSAT median up.
But also I think we can surmise that they don't have a strategy on that front yet considering the mish mash of numerical profiles currently on the wait list?

Yeah they probably just have different lists and won't know which one to look at first until after May 1st.

And no worries, I hope you get it. I'm approaching the waitlist in a very nonchalant if it happens it happens kind of way. Hopefully we can Noah's Arc it together though.

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Waitlist

Postby SpookySalem92 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:27 pm

Part of me just wants to believe that both factors are relatively diminished in significance (barring major outliers) if they've already placed you on the WL in the first place, and they're more focused at this point on evaluating the candidate as an individual and how they would fit within the entering class composition more holistically. Then again, I suppose this is Harvard and not Harvard's Best Friend race. Or something.

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Waitlist

Postby Rigo » Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:29 pm

SpookySalem92 wrote:Part of me just wants to believe that both factors are relatively diminished in significance (barring major outliers) if they've already placed you on the WL in the first place, and they're more focused at this point on evaluating the candidate as an individual and how they would fit within the entering class composition more holistically. Then again, I suppose this is Harvard and not Harvard's Best Friend race. Or something.

I've heard it's the opposite and WL is even more about numbers than the regular cycle.
It's all about filling in the holes in their class based upon yield fluctuations.

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Waitlist

Postby SpookySalem92 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:35 pm

Rigo wrote:
SpookySalem92 wrote:Part of me just wants to believe that both factors are relatively diminished in significance (barring major outliers) if they've already placed you on the WL in the first place, and they're more focused at this point on evaluating the candidate as an individual and how they would fit within the entering class composition more holistically. Then again, I suppose this is Harvard and not Harvard's Best Friend race. Or something.

I've heard it's the opposite and WL is even more about numbers than the regular cycle.
It's all about filling in the holes in their class based upon yield fluctuations.


I guess that would be another way to utilize it, like the extra pairs of shoes in the stockroom in case there's an issue with the one on the display floor. Here's hoping I'm a Jimmy Choo and not a "Jimmy Who?"

I am so sorry.

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Waitlist

Postby Studybuddy17 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:16 pm

Hi! Does anyone have any advice for the timing of a LOCI at this point? If I have not yet sent one, is it preferable to wait until closer to the beginning of May when the ad coms begin reviewing the waitlisters?

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Waitlist

Postby Rigo » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:29 pm

SpookySalem92 wrote:
Rigo wrote:
SpookySalem92 wrote:Part of me just wants to believe that both factors are relatively diminished in significance (barring major outliers) if they've already placed you on the WL in the first place, and they're more focused at this point on evaluating the candidate as an individual and how they would fit within the entering class composition more holistically. Then again, I suppose this is Harvard and not Harvard's Best Friend race. Or something.

I've heard it's the opposite and WL is even more about numbers than the regular cycle.
It's all about filling in the holes in their class based upon yield fluctuations.


I guess that would be another way to utilize it, like the extra pairs of shoes in the stockroom in case there's an issue with the one on the display floor. Here's hoping I'm a Jimmy Choo and not a "Jimmy Who?"

I am so sorry.

I appreciated this post. It's Sex and the City meets law school admissions.
"And then I thought to myself: maybe we're all just stockroom shoes waiting to be chosen..."

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Waitlist

Postby between3characters » Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:39 pm

str8shot122 wrote:
between3characters wrote:
str8shot122 wrote:
appind wrote:
str8shot122 wrote:Checking in. 161/3.68. Definitely thought I'd get rejected. Going to send LOCI because why not lol


special softs? urm?


Yeah military officer. But nothing extraordinary. Applied in November.


Hey, me too. Are you doing FLEP by chance?


No. My wife wants a career and it has become abundantly clear that she can't have that in the Army. Although I may try to go reserve JAG. Are you doing FLEP?


Yes, but based on the restrictions I have all but given up on Harvard. Coming from overseas, so I'll probably have orders set before the first round of acceptances off the w/l.

What's the wifey do?

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Waitlist

Postby Pyrex » Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:19 pm

enoca wrote:Honestly given the huge drop off in 171+ LSATs this year, I doubt using previous years as a guidepost is gonna be too useful. H has a huge class drawn almost exclusively from the scores that have dropped off. They are gonna have to tread pretty carefully if want to maintain their medians/75ths. My guess is they will consider some folks who would normally have almost no chance, and the waitlist will see a decent amount of action.


I keep seeing this on these threads, but haven't seen anywhere else. Where did this data come from?

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Waitlist

Postby curry1 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:25 pm

Pyrex wrote:
enoca wrote:Honestly given the huge drop off in 171+ LSATs this year, I doubt using previous years as a guidepost is gonna be too useful. H has a huge class drawn almost exclusively from the scores that have dropped off. They are gonna have to tread pretty carefully if want to maintain their medians/75ths. My guess is they will consider some folks who would normally have almost no chance, and the waitlist will see a decent amount of action.


I keep seeing this on these threads, but haven't seen anywhere else. Where did this data come from?


==error==/2016-2 ... f-3-31-17/

This is the lowest cycle for high LSAT bros in modern history, or is giving 2014-2015 a run for its money,

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Waitlist

Postby curry1 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:26 pm

appind wrote:HLS admissions waitlist link: http://hls.harvard.edu/dept/jdadmission ... -waitlist/


Can you change the poll to a Q asking where people are depositing like the YLS waitlist thread? Thanks!

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Waitlist

Postby treetops_rising » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:01 pm

curry1 wrote:
appind wrote:HLS admissions waitlist link: http://hls.harvard.edu/dept/jdadmission ... -waitlist/


Can you change the poll to a Q asking where people are depositing like the YLS waitlist thread? Thanks!


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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Waitlist

Postby Pyrex » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:55 pm

curry1 wrote:
Pyrex wrote:
enoca wrote:Honestly given the huge drop off in 171+ LSATs this year, I doubt using previous years as a guidepost is gonna be too useful. H has a huge class drawn almost exclusively from the scores that have dropped off. They are gonna have to tread pretty carefully if want to maintain their medians/75ths. My guess is they will consider some folks who would normally have almost no chance, and the waitlist will see a decent amount of action.


I keep seeing this on these threads, but haven't seen anywhere else. Where did this data come from?


==error==/2016-2 ... f-3-31-17/

This is the lowest cycle for high LSAT bros in modern history, or is giving 2014-2015 a run for its money,


Thanks! Does anyone know where he gets his data? The numbers seem too low to be all inclusive; are the really only 386 people with 171 scores, for instance?

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Waitlist

Postby jjcorvino » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:26 pm

Pyrex wrote:
curry1 wrote:
Pyrex wrote:
enoca wrote:Honestly given the huge drop off in 171+ LSATs this year, I doubt using previous years as a guidepost is gonna be too useful. H has a huge class drawn almost exclusively from the scores that have dropped off. They are gonna have to tread pretty carefully if want to maintain their medians/75ths. My guess is they will consider some folks who would normally have almost no chance, and the waitlist will see a decent amount of action.


I keep seeing this on these threads, but haven't seen anywhere else. Where did this data come from?


==error==/2016-2 ... f-3-31-17/

This is the lowest cycle for high LSAT bros in modern history, or is giving 2014-2015 a run for its money,


Thanks! Does anyone know where he gets his data? The numbers seem too low to be all inclusive; are the really only 386 people with 171 scores, for instance?


They are from LSAC, so everyone that applied through LSAC (should be everyone that applied) are counted.

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Waitlist

Postby TudoBem » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:51 pm

treetops_rising wrote:
curry1 wrote:
appind wrote:HLS admissions waitlist link: http://hls.harvard.edu/dept/jdadmission ... -waitlist/


Can you change the poll to a Q asking where people are depositing like the YLS waitlist thread? Thanks!


+1

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Waitlist

Postby ashrice13 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:56 pm

I just got confirmation of my withdrawal from a few weeks ago so I think they might be firming up the WL. Figured I'd let everyone know for wild speculation purposes.

GL, friends!!

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Waitlist

Postby ml0606148 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:35 pm

ashrice13 wrote:I just got confirmation of my withdrawal from a few weeks ago so I think they might be firming up the WL. Figured I'd let everyone know for wild speculation purposes.

GL, friends!!


thanks!!! gonna ride this out persistently

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Waitlist

Postby SpookySalem92 » Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:07 am

I was feeling pretty good about things until, at an ASW for another school, over the course of conversation with like 5 different people it came up that we were all on the WL at Harvard. Sigh/lol.

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Waitlist

Postby dyebri » Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:59 am

Studybuddy17 wrote:Hi! Does anyone have any advice for the timing of a LOCI at this point? If I have not yet sent one, is it preferable to wait until closer to the beginning of May when the ad coms begin reviewing the waitlisters?



Curious about this as well

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Waitlist

Postby half moon » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:10 am

dyebri wrote:
Studybuddy17 wrote:Hi! Does anyone have any advice for the timing of a LOCI at this point? If I have not yet sent one, is it preferable to wait until closer to the beginning of May when the ad coms begin reviewing the waitlisters?



Curious about this as well

I sent mine this week. I don't know that there's a hard and fast rule, but I remember reading something on MS9's blog a while back that basically said when in doubt, send it sooner.

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Waitlist

Postby Studybuddy17 » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:58 pm

I apologise in advance as I'm sure this has been asked before, but I have been unable to find specifics on this. When sending a LOCI, is it sent as an attachment or as the text of an email? If an attachment, what should be written in the body of the email without sounding redundant in the attachment? Thanks!

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Waitlist

Postby sittykitty » Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:01 pm

Studybuddy17 wrote:I apologise in advance as I'm sure this has been asked before, but I have been unable to find specifics on this. When sending a LOCI, is it sent as an attachment or as the text of an email? If an attachment, what should be written in the body of the email without sounding redundant in the attachment? Thanks!

I think it's good practice to send a LOCI as a separate PDF attachment -- otherwise, what are they going to do, print out the email memo-form and add it to your file? It probably looks better as a formatted letter.

I just put a couple short sentences in the body of my emails -- "I am providing an update regarding my current work, my continuing interest in HLS, and the curricular offerings that make the school my top choice" etc etc.

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Waitlist

Postby Studybuddy17 » Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:02 pm

sittykitty wrote:
Studybuddy17 wrote:I apologise in advance as I'm sure this has been asked before, but I have been unable to find specifics on this. When sending a LOCI, is it sent as an attachment or as the text of an email? If an attachment, what should be written in the body of the email without sounding redundant in the attachment? Thanks!

I think it's good practice to send a LOCI as a separate PDF attachment -- otherwise, what are they going to do, print out the email memo-form and add it to your file? It probably looks better as a formatted letter.

I just put a couple short sentences in the body of my emails -- "I am providing an update regarding my current work, my continuing interest in HLS, and the curricular offerings that make the school my top choice" etc etc.

Sounds good, thanks!

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Waitlist

Postby sittykitty » Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:06 pm

half moon wrote:
dyebri wrote:
Studybuddy17 wrote:Hi! Does anyone have any advice for the timing of a LOCI at this point? If I have not yet sent one, is it preferable to wait until closer to the beginning of May when the ad coms begin reviewing the waitlisters?



Curious about this as well

I sent mine this week. I don't know that there's a hard and fast rule, but I remember reading something on MS9's blog a while back that basically said when in doubt, send it sooner.

I just wanted mine in front of the ad com by the time they start reviewing the WL, which should be pretty soon -- last year's post-WL JS1s started the first week of May.



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