Negotiating scholarships works!!!!!

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Re: Negotiating scholarships works!!!!!

Postby gamerish » Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:37 pm

ftge232 wrote:So I was accepted to CCN but with no money offered as of yet (must've heard I'm ugly).. do you think I have any chance of negotiating some cash from Columbia/NYU with a 175 LSAT and 25<GPA<50?

You have nothing to lose by trying. I certainly wouldn't email them saying "this is my LSAT and GPA yada yada" because they already know those numbers but you can certainly let them know that sticker COA would be a barrier to attendance or what have you. Just be respectful and courteous, worst thing that can happen is that they say no.

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Postby jg61 » Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:47 pm

gazorpazorp wrote:Wondering when I should start negotiating...

Current offers include six figures from GW, USC and WUSTL, as well as 45k from Michigan -- and I'm expecting to hear about merit aid from GULC this week or next.

However, I'm still waiting on UVA and NYU. Not expecting to be admitted to the latter, but I feel like odds are pretty good for UVA as I just had a good interview last Friday.

My question: do I start negotiating once I hear about merit aid from GULC, which will likely be this week or next? Or do I wait until I hear from UVA (which is going to take god knows how long, as my status checker still sits at "UR 10/8")?

I don't want to sit around waiting for UVA throughout all of March (and possibly end up WL'ed) and waste valuable negotiating time... but I also don't want to start negotiating until I have the strongest possible leverage.


Seems like UVA has extended (nearly) all of its merit offers already and has also stated that they don't anticipate being able to match offers down the line. Check the UVA c/o 2019 thread

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Re: Negotiating scholarships works!!!!!

Postby tezzeret » Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:59 pm

I'm sure this was posted before, but what is the best way to negotiate with a lower ranked school using a higher ranked school that is still cheaper? So say you have Cardozo (40k/yr) and Fordham (20k/yr), even though dozo is cheaper, how would you use Fordham as leverage?

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Re: Negotiating scholarships works!!!!!

Postby fliptrip » Fri Mar 04, 2016 3:01 pm

ftge232 wrote:So I was accepted to CCN but with no money offered as of yet (must've heard I'm ugly).. do you think I have any chance of negotiating some cash from Columbia/NYU with a 175 LSAT and 25<GPA<50?


Sure you do, but you need their initial offer first. Did you make sure to get your financial aid documents in to them? Outside of the named scholarships, they don't make any offers without your financial information.

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Postby ftge232 » Fri Mar 04, 2016 3:21 pm

fliptrip wrote:
ftge232 wrote:So I was accepted to CCN but with no money offered as of yet (must've heard I'm ugly).. do you think I have any chance of negotiating some cash from Columbia/NYU with a 175 LSAT and 25<GPA<50?


Sure you do, but you need their initial offer first. Did you make sure to get your financial aid documents in to them? Outside of the named scholarships, they don't make any offers without your financial information.


Is that through the needaccess portal?

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Postby fliptrip » Fri Mar 04, 2016 3:22 pm

Yes, needaccess and FAFSA for CLS.

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Postby tezzeret » Fri Mar 04, 2016 4:02 pm

When you send them a pdf of the scholarship, do you send them the page with the agreement/stipulations or is the acceptance letter w/scholarship amount sufficient enough? Also, how would you negotiate with a school that is giving you more money than any of your other schools, but is the lowest ranked?

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Postby LMD » Sat Mar 05, 2016 1:11 am

tezzeret wrote:When you send them a pdf of the scholarship, do you send them the page with the agreement/stipulations or is the acceptance letter w/scholarship amount sufficient enough? Also, how would you negotiate with a school that is giving you more money than any of your other schools, but is the lowest ranked?


Just be nice, tell them you have other good offers you are considering, and thank them for the generous scholarship offer thus far but ask if it's negotiable. They know what's up, they're not going to be offended.

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Postby Lucyfur » Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:00 pm

UCLA is one of my top choices, and supposedly USC is the best bargaining chip for negotiating scholarships at UCLA. Unfortunately, I was waitlisted at USC. So...should I ride out this waitlist in hopes that I will get scholarship money to negotiate with UCLA? Per lsn, people with my numbers got ~75,000 and I have higher offers than that from better ranked schools I could potentially negotiate with. Will UCLA even negotiate with me (assuming I even get $ from USC) that late in the game?
I plan on negotiating with my other offers in the meantime, with Vandy and Texas (TBD) offers probably being the most helpful. Unfortunately I have no T14 offers at the moment, and really don't expect much if anything

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Postby lsb17 » Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:15 pm

Hey all,

Any tips on how to approach negotions with Cardozo given the below?

I've recieved a full ride offer from both Pace and NYLS. I've also recieved $40K per year offer from Hostra and a $15K per year offer from Seton Hall. Cardozo has offered me a one time grant in the amount of $8K.

I'm still waiting to hear back from 4 more schools but my deadline to deposit is fast approaching ( March 25th) so I feel like I should reach out asap.

Thank you!

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Postby UDtoLawSchool » Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:32 pm

lsb17 wrote:Hey all,

Any tips on how to approach negotions with Cardozo given the below?

I've recieved a full ride offer from both Pace and NYLS. I've also recieved $40K per year offer from Hostra and a $15K per year offer from Seton Hall. Cardozo has offered me a one time grant in the amount of $8K.

I'm still waiting to hear back from 4 more schools but my deadline to deposit is fast approaching ( March 25th) so I feel like I should reach out asap.

Thank you!


I'm also negotiating with Cardozo now. They say that they won't start considering until mid-March. They also typically only consider offers from "peer schools" so I'm not sure how much they will weigh a full ride from Pace or NYLS. Usually they take offers from Brooklyn or high offers from St. John's.

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Postby gazorpazorp » Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:53 pm

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Re: Negotiating scholarships works!!!!!

Postby lsb17 » Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:54 pm

UDtoLawSchool wrote:
lsb17 wrote:Hey all,

Any tips on how to approach negotions with Cardozo given the below?

I've recieved a full ride offer from both Pace and NYLS. I've also recieved $40K per year offer from Hostra and a $15K per year offer from Seton Hall. Cardozo has offered me a one time grant in the amount of $8K.

I'm still waiting to hear back from 4 more schools but my deadline to deposit is fast approaching ( March 25th) so I feel like I should reach out asap.

Thank you!


I'm also negotiating with Cardozo now. They say that they won't start considering until mid-March. They also typically only consider offers from "peer schools" so I'm not sure how much they will weigh a full ride from Pace or NYLS. Usually they take offers from Brooklyn or high offers from St. John's.


I applied pretty late so I'm still waiting for Brooklyn, St. Johns and Fordham (PT) to respond.

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Re: Negotiating scholarships works!!!!!

Postby Nghasem » Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:57 pm

Anyone negotiate with Boston U yet? I just received a pretty substantial offer from Emory, but want to go to BU, but have heard nothing on scholarships.

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Postby Loney M. Setnick » Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:13 pm

Would those of you who have successfully negotiated scholarship offers be willing to share their e-mails? I'd really appreciate seeing what a sample e-mail looks like.

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Postby shakha » Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:54 am

Loney M. Setnick wrote:Would those of you who have successfully negotiated scholarship offers be willing to share their e-mails? I'd really appreciate seeing what a sample e-mail looks like.


+1 same ! thanks so much in advance !

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Postby jobz » Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:40 pm

According the USNWR leak, BU and USC will be tied at #20. Those are the 2 schools I'm debating between. They each offered me the same amount of scholarship though. Anyone think I still have leverage to try to negotiate money?

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Postby Draconem » Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:58 pm

jobz wrote:According the USNWR leak, BU and USC will be tied at #20. Those are the 2 schools I'm debating between. They each offered me the same amount of scholarship though. Anyone think I still have leverage to try to negotiate money?


USC would be #19 and BU #20 according to the Spivey leak.

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Re: Negotiating scholarships works!!!!!

Postby bnssweeney » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:22 pm

Anyone have success negotiating with Brooklyn?

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Postby sjp200 » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:27 pm

jobz wrote:According the USNWR leak, BU and USC will be tied at #20. Those are the 2 schools I'm debating between. They each offered me the same amount of scholarship though. Anyone think I still have leverage to try to negotiate money?



PM'd you

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Postby sfoglia » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:29 pm

fliptrip wrote:Yes, needaccess and FAFSA for CLS.


As well as the form on the admitted students website and you and your parents' tax returns for 2015 (unless you are 29 or older). That all needs to be mailed (or faxed?). That is all listed after you submit the Need Access.

I just received word from Chicago on Friday, so don't stress too much yet, ftge.

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Postby ih8makingscreennames » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:34 pm

So no one has successfully negotiated with Columbia? Bc if that's not an option, I shouldn't even go to ASW.

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Postby sadie T. » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:39 pm

bnssweeney wrote:Anyone have success negotiating with Brooklyn?

+1

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Postby jtg21 » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:40 pm

ih8makingscreennames wrote:So no one has successfully negotiated with Columbia? Bc if that's not an option, I shouldn't even go to ASW.


Other than Butlers/Hamiltons, their initial aid offers don't go out til the beginning of April. So I don't think negotiating is an option before then.

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Postby SlithyTove » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:49 pm

shakha wrote:
Loney M. Setnick wrote:Would those of you who have successfully negotiated scholarship offers be willing to share their e-mails? I'd really appreciate seeing what a sample e-mail looks like.


+1 same ! thanks so much in advance !


Pages 1, 15 and 17 of this thread have some really good advice regarding phrasing of the email. I read through the first 20 pages of this thread before sending my letter and found it really useful. My advice is to do that and use what you find to craft your own letter so it doesn't sound formulaic. From my own experience I would add that you should do your best to send it to the person in charge of making the decision directly (often the Dean of Admissions and usually the person whose name is on your original offer letter).

Note that I am still in the beginning stages of negotiation so take everything I say with a grain of salt. User 'wamanda' from a few years back (whose sample email is on page 17 of this thread) was my inspiration.




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