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Re: Negotiating scholarships works!!!!!

Postby Drowninmyowntears » Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:55 pm

Do you all think UCI and Loyola Marymount (LA) are peer schools in terms of scholarship negotiation?

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Re: Negotiating scholarships works!!!!!

Postby spencercross » Sat Feb 21, 2015 10:35 pm

Drowninmyowntears wrote:Do you all think UCI and Loyola Marymount (LA) are peer schools in terms of scholarship negotiation?

No. I think UCI is closer to UC Davis, so higher than Loyola. USNWR rankings are out on 3/10, so you'll know then. I saw somebody on another thread saying they're expected to end up ~#40-45.

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Re: Negotiating scholarships works!!!!!

Postby Drowninmyowntears » Sat Feb 21, 2015 10:42 pm

spencercross wrote:
Drowninmyowntears wrote:Do you all think UCI and Loyola Marymount (LA) are peer schools in terms of scholarship negotiation?

No. I think UCI is closer to UC Davis, so higher than Loyola. USNWR rankings are out on 3/10, so you'll know then. I saw somebody on another thread saying they're expected to end up ~#40-45.


thanks! how close do you think schools need to be on the rankings to be considered peers? within 10?

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Re: Negotiating scholarships works!!!!!

Postby spencercross » Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:00 pm

Drowninmyowntears wrote:
spencercross wrote:
Drowninmyowntears wrote:Do you all think UCI and Loyola Marymount (LA) are peer schools in terms of scholarship negotiation?

No. I think UCI is closer to UC Davis, so higher than Loyola. USNWR rankings are out on 3/10, so you'll know then. I saw somebody on another thread saying they're expected to end up ~#40-45.


thanks! how close do you think schools need to be on the rankings to be considered peers? within 10?

Depends on where they are on the list. Within T14, it's more like one to three (thus "HYS" and "CCN"), within T1 it's maybe four or five? But it's not set in stone. Loyola probably considers themselves peer with Pepperdine just because they used to rank close together, even though Davis and Pepperdine are now closer together than Pepperdine and Loyola.

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Postby HeirCroc » Sun Feb 22, 2015 3:27 am

I've seen some threads/info online indicating that schools near the same ranking but in different regions are not 'peer' schools. I've also seen some stuff indicating that they are? As I'm going to be negotiating, I'm wondering if someone can help clear this up. Below is bit on my situation.

I'm in at GW (60k), USC (75k) and wustl (no scholly info yet). These three are all ranked very close to each other. Do I have much leverage to play them off each other? Assuming I get $$ from wustl, I was going to go with the COA argument in my email to USC. Wustl is like 10k less a year so even if they give, for example, 20k less than USC I'm paying less to go there. Am I on the right track?

Also, I got a full ride to a TTT in a low COA area. Is that worth mentioning these higher ranked schools (GW, USC, Wustl) in negotiating? I'm trying to figure out how to frame it since it is definitely not a school that the above schools are generally in competition with for applicants. Something like: 'XXX is my ideal choice but COA at TTT is very low and financial concerns are a significant factor in my decision' ?

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Postby TheMick » Sun Feb 22, 2015 5:49 pm

So far I have several schools I was accepted into and a few I was waitlisted for.

I was thinking I should start discussing offers from some of the schools and see where it leaves me.

I am curious though from anyone and everyone who has had some success talking up their Scholarships what they wrote, was it in the body of the email or a attached letter, and if I can see the body of some people wrote so I know which direction I need to go for this.

Any help would be super appreciated. Please feel free to PM if that is better.
Thank you all!

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Re: Negotiating scholarships works!!!!!

Postby spencercross » Sun Feb 22, 2015 5:54 pm

HeirCroc wrote:I've seen some threads/info online indicating that schools near the same ranking but in different regions are not 'peer' schools. I've also seen some stuff indicating that they are? As I'm going to be negotiating, I'm wondering if someone can help clear this up. Below is bit on my situation.

I'm in at GW (60k), USC (75k) and wustl (no scholly info yet). These three are all ranked very close to each other. Do I have much leverage to play them off each other? Assuming I get $$ from wustl, I was going to go with the COA argument in my email to USC. Wustl is like 10k less a year so even if they give, for example, 20k less than USC I'm paying less to go there. Am I on the right track?

Also, I got a full ride to a TTT in a low COA area. Is that worth mentioning these higher ranked schools (GW, USC, Wustl) in negotiating? I'm trying to figure out how to frame it since it is definitely not a school that the above schools are generally in competition with for applicants. Something like: 'XXX is my ideal choice but COA at TTT is very low and financial concerns are a significant factor in my decision' ?

T14 places nationally, so similarly rated T14 schools in different regions would still be peer schools. Below that, it's more fuzzy. That farther down the list you go below that, the more likely schools are to only really be concerned with schools in the same region. I think USC/GW/WUSTL are still ranked high enough to compete with one another and probably do make offers to a lot of the same applicants. I don't think you'll gain anything by mentioning a competing offer from a TTT, but I have seen other people mention successfully leveraging differences in CoA and tuition between very closely ranked schools.

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Re: Negotiating scholarships works!!!!!

Postby supersplittysplitter » Sun Feb 22, 2015 6:01 pm

Can schools force you to withdraw from all waitlists as a condition of accepting a scholarship, or is that a violation of LSAC rules?

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Postby LawsRUs » Sun Feb 22, 2015 6:12 pm

supersplittysplitter wrote:Can schools force you to withdraw from all waitlists as a condition of accepting a scholarship, or is that a violation of LSAC rules?


heyy--
it totally depends on the school. Some schools hv very specific language, and ask that you withdraw from all WL+acceptances. :| Others don't. Gotta read the SIR contract. hth :wink:

eta: what i said is totally wrong, pls disregard and see below
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Re: Negotiating scholarships works!!!!!

Postby spencercross » Sun Feb 22, 2015 6:14 pm

supersplittysplitter wrote:Can schools force you to withdraw from all waitlists as a condition of accepting a scholarship, or is that a violation of LSAC rules?

Not from a waitlist. They can tell you to withdraw applications if you've already been accepted (i.e., you can't put down more than one seat deposit), but LSAC specifically says every applicant should be free to accept *new* offers regardless of what scholarships have been accepted, deposits paid, etc. More here: http://www.annaivey.com/iveyfiles/is_it_ok_to_put_down_multiple_deposits.

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Postby LawsRUs » Sun Feb 22, 2015 6:15 pm

o my bad you're right not from a WL, what am i thinking duh

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Postby LawsRUs » Sun Feb 22, 2015 6:17 pm

are you all gonna start negotiating next week, the week of March 1st?

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Postby af0890 » Sun Feb 22, 2015 6:57 pm

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Re: Negotiating scholarships works!!!!!

Postby KMart » Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:18 pm

af0890 wrote:Hey guys, would appreciate any help because I'm totally clueless when it comes to scholarships. I just got my award from one of my top schools, and i can't tell if it's "good" or not, and how much negotiating power I could have to change it or to use with others. It's about half tuition, less than half overall cost per year (about 40%). T6 school and my numbers aren't high enough to get a named scholarship. Is this about the best I could expect, notwithstanding need (I'll be taking out loans to cover every other cent)?

We need more facts on the school, your numbers, and other scholarships that could potentially be used to negotiate.

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Re: Negotiating scholarships works!!!!!

Postby RhymesLikeDimes » Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:25 pm

Any chance UVA would match/negotiate off of Northwestern? (~3.5/175)

Expecting ~$90K from NW, hoping to parlay that into at least $60K from UVA.

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Postby Drowninmyowntears » Sun Feb 22, 2015 9:27 pm

LawsRUs wrote:are you all gonna start negotiating next week, the week of March 1st?


Still waiting on decisions. Is there a deadline that schools have to let you know by? or at least usually let you know by?

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Postby Mack.Hambleton » Sun Feb 22, 2015 9:54 pm

RhymesLikeDimes wrote:Any chance UVA would match/negotiate off of Northwestern? (~3.5/175)

Expecting ~$90K from NW, hoping to parlay that into at least $60K from UVA.


they're peer schools I wouldn't go to one for 30k less

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Postby Winston1984 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:38 am

Mack.Hambleton wrote:
RhymesLikeDimes wrote:Any chance UVA would match/negotiate off of Northwestern? (~3.5/175)

Expecting ~$90K from NW, hoping to parlay that into at least $60K from UVA.


they're peer schools I wouldn't go to one for 30k less

I mean, if you wanted a big firm in the South, 60k at UVA could potentially be a better option than 90k at NU.

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Postby RhymesLikeDimes » Mon Feb 23, 2015 12:22 pm

I'm PI-focused, and Northwestern by all accounts is pretty lacking in the PI department.

And UVA's COA probably knocks another $10K off the difference.

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Postby indypup » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:47 pm

LawsRUs wrote:are you all gonna start negotiating next week, the week of March 1st?


I already started negotiating last week. Been successful so far.

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Postby buckiguy_sucks » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:58 pm

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Re: Negotiating scholarships works!!!!!

Postby UOI4430 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:05 pm

buckiguy_sucks wrote:
indypup wrote:
LawsRUs wrote:are you all gonna start negotiating next week, the week of March 1st?


I already started negotiating last week. Been successful so far.



really? I thought the advice was its too early. What tier of schools? I don't want to be behind the curve on the negotiations here haha


+1

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Postby KMart » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:06 pm

I wouldn't say you're behind the curve. I haven't started because I've either not gotten a decision or not gotten my scholarship amount. I think if you have both of those, and a peer offer you can anchor the negotiation around then you should go for it.

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Postby indypup » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:33 pm

imKMart wrote:I wouldn't say you're behind the curve. I haven't started because I've either not gotten a decision or not gotten my scholarship amount. I think if you have both of those, and a peer offer you can anchor the negotiation around then you should go for it.


I would definitely say you are not behind the curve. I've heard back (including scholly info) from all but two schools. I had peer schools that gave me different offers, so I decided to go ahead and start negotiations. I started early compared to everyone on here.

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Postby capsoccer » Tue Feb 24, 2015 4:36 pm

George Washington responded to my email with higher offer from peer school saying that the scholarship committee is meeting early to review Increase requests and will be determined by April 15th. Then they said to keep my current merit scholarship I will need to deposit by April 1st :(




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