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International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2016 11:53 pm
by JDrat
Anyone else on this forum who is an international applicant, and waiting on admits?

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:12 am
by freekick
Checking in. International UG.

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:23 am
by galeatus
Checking in as well
fwiw, International UG, eval AA, 171

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:53 am
by hellohalo
Check in.
International Undergrad here. I think it's helpful to indicate whether you are American UG or international UG.

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:53 am
by dala77
Checking in. International UG :D

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:17 am
by shao
Cheking in. International UG. Will school ask international students for senior grades before decision?

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 7:14 am
by marryJLP92
Checking in. U.S. citizen (URM) but educated in UK. Unique case to say the least..

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 7:38 am
by arthrod
Checking in!

Above Average, 166, South American

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 7:38 am
by arthrod
bump

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 7:42 am
by MisterT
Checking in. International UG. Appling to UCLA, Berkeley and HLS / SLS

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:28 am
by cakerusk
International UG from South Asia, but moved to Texas 5 years ago, non-traditional (read: old) applicant.

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:03 pm
by wygsys
Checking in. International born and educated. Superior + 174 + two years out of college.

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:18 pm
by freekick
Impressive turnout so far. Should help us all this cycle.

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:40 pm
by appind
nice to see an international thread.
American with international ug. superior/low 170s.

anyone know the effect of superior rating but low gpa?

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:30 am
by freekick
appind wrote:nice to see an international thread.
American with international ug. superior/low 170s.

anyone know the effect of superior rating but low gpa?


LSAC's GPA evaluation factors in the quality, difficulty etc of the course. So if your 'low' gpa got a superior rating, there is nothing low about it anymore. The rating is all that counts.

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:09 am
by hellohalo
freekick wrote:
appind wrote:nice to see an international thread.
American with international ug. superior/low 170s.

anyone know the effect of superior rating but low gpa?


LSAC's GPA evaluation factors in the quality, difficulty etc of the course. So if your 'low' gpa got a superior rating, there is nothing low about it anymore. The rating is all that counts.


In my evaluation, LSAC quoted some authority publications on higher education in my country. I believe they take the quality/reputation of the school into consideration. But as to the difficulty of major, I doubt LSAC is the one to say chemical engineering is more challenging than a foreign language.

But anyway, a superior is superior. No need to worry much about it. I just wish law schools will look deeper into my "above average" transcripts. Cuz my transcripts are just numbers and a suggestion of A=90-100, B=80-90 etc. All the numbers on my transcripts are hardcore real numbers from the exam. There's no curve in my college. I mean I could be (and I was) top 1 even with a 85 out of 100. But it was just a B.

Whatever I say, it's up to the law school to make their decision. Admission for us international UG is less predictable for sure. Good luck to everyone.

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:18 am
by freekick
hellohalo wrote:
freekick wrote:
appind wrote:nice to see an international thread.
American with international ug. superior/low 170s.

anyone know the effect of superior rating but low gpa?


LSAC's GPA evaluation factors in the quality, difficulty etc of the course. So if your 'low' gpa got a superior rating, there is nothing low about it anymore. The rating is all that counts.


In my evaluation, LSAC quoted some authority publications on higher education in my country. I believe they take the quality/reputation of the school into consideration. But as to the difficulty of major, I doubt LSAC is the one to say chemical engineering is more challenging than a foreign language.

But anyway, a superior is superior. No need to worry much about it. I just wish law schools will look deeper into my "above average" transcripts. Cuz my transcripts are just numbers and a suggestion of A=90-100, B=80-90 etc. All the numbers on my transcripts are hardcore real numbers from the exam. There's no curve in my college. I mean I could be (and I was) top 1 even with a 85 out of 100. But it was just a B.

Whatever I say, it's up to the law school to make their decision. Admission for us international UG is less predictable for sure. Good luck to everyone.


Want to digress a bit to add that since we don't contribute to GPA medians, the LSAC trancript rating works more like a necessary condition than a standalone application booster. The LSAT seems to be pretty much the game barring something truly exceptional (good/bad).

Interested in knowing what others think.

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:14 am
by Strangeland
Hey everyone!
Saw this spreadsheet from a past cycle https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AG_4xSI6VlxR7gpEQJRjWj0iOwxgEZkj8Q4cMefqe3o/edit#gid=0
Could we make one for 16-17? I have no experience with these so I'm hoping someone else might (:
P.S. International UG, non-URM

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:38 am
by MisterT
freekick wrote:
hellohalo wrote:
freekick wrote:
appind wrote:nice to see an international thread.
American with international ug. superior/low 170s.

anyone know the effect of superior rating but low gpa?


LSAC's GPA evaluation factors in the quality, difficulty etc of the course. So if your 'low' gpa got a superior rating, there is nothing low about it anymore. The rating is all that counts.


In my evaluation, LSAC quoted some authority publications on higher education in my country. I believe they take the quality/reputation of the school into consideration. But as to the difficulty of major, I doubt LSAC is the one to say chemical engineering is more challenging than a foreign language.

But anyway, a superior is superior. No need to worry much about it. I just wish law schools will look deeper into my "above average" transcripts. Cuz my transcripts are just numbers and a suggestion of A=90-100, B=80-90 etc. All the numbers on my transcripts are hardcore real numbers from the exam. There's no curve in my college. I mean I could be (and I was) top 1 even with a 85 out of 100. But it was just a B.

Whatever I say, it's up to the law school to make their decision. Admission for us international UG is less predictable for sure. Good luck to everyone.


Want to digress a bit to add that since we don't contribute to GPA medians, the LSAC trancript rating works more like a necessary condition than a standalone application booster. The LSAT seems to be pretty much the game barring something truly exceptional (good/bad).

Interested in knowing what others think.


I think that the foreign transcript evaluation is somewhat arbitrary. It seems difficult to factor in a curve or (lack of) grade inflation in certain education systems, which is why submitting a class ranking often helps sway the evaluators one way or another. Also, in my case, failed exams or grades that were scored but de facto pass/fail (subject to study degree-specific regulations), are usually taken in to account as they would at US institutions, unless certain practices are well known throughout the entire system of the respective country. For example, I recieved an "average" rating due to such graded but ultimately pass/fail classes from my freshman year being calculated in to my average. The fact that my GPA was enough to gain admission to a Master's program requiring a GPA of 3.5 for US applicants didn't seem to sway them, but I put it in an addendum to make sure the schools got the bigger picture.

Having looked in to it when I applied last cycle it does seem that LSATs are weighted heavily compares to academic performance for international applicants, still I think schools do want to know if you have the study ethic required for their program, so if there is anyway to put your grades in context, don't be afraid to reach out to schools or write an addendum.

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:55 am
by freekick
MisterT wrote:
freekick wrote:
hellohalo wrote:
freekick wrote:
appind wrote:nice to see an international thread.
American with international ug. superior/low 170s.

anyone know the effect of superior rating but low gpa?


LSAC's GPA evaluation factors in the quality, difficulty etc of the course. So if your 'low' gpa got a superior rating, there is nothing low about it anymore. The rating is all that counts.


In my evaluation, LSAC quoted some authority publications on higher education in my country. I believe they take the quality/reputation of the school into consideration. But as to the difficulty of major, I doubt LSAC is the one to say chemical engineering is more challenging than a foreign language.

But anyway, a superior is superior. No need to worry much about it. I just wish law schools will look deeper into my "above average" transcripts. Cuz my transcripts are just numbers and a suggestion of A=90-100, B=80-90 etc. All the numbers on my transcripts are hardcore real numbers from the exam. There's no curve in my college. I mean I could be (and I was) top 1 even with a 85 out of 100. But it was just a B.

Whatever I say, it's up to the law school to make their decision. Admission for us international UG is less predictable for sure. Good luck to everyone.


Want to digress a bit to add that since we don't contribute to GPA medians, the LSAC trancript rating works more like a necessary condition than a standalone application booster. The LSAT seems to be pretty much the game barring something truly exceptional (good/bad).

Interested in knowing what others think.


I think that the foreign transcript evaluation is somewhat arbitrary. It seems difficult to factor in a curve or (lack of) grade inflation in certain education systems, which is why submitting a class ranking often helps sway the evaluators one way or another. Also, in my case, failed exams or grades that were scored but de facto pass/fail (subject to study degree-specific regulations), are usually taken in to account as they would at US institutions, unless certain practices are well known throughout the entire system of the respective country. For example, I recieved an "average" rating due to such graded but ultimately pass/fail classes from my freshman year being calculated in to my average. The fact that my GPA was enough to gain admission to a Master's program requiring a GPA of 3.5 for US applicants didn't seem to sway them, but I put it in an addendum to make sure the schools got the bigger picture.

Having looked in to it when I applied last cycle it does seem that LSATs are weighted heavily compares to academic performance for international applicants, still I think schools do want to know if you have the study ethic required for their program, so if there is anyway to put your grades in context, don't be afraid to reach out to schools or write an addendum.


Agree on addendum highlighting strength of UG. It could be a tie breaker of sorts b/w candiates offering same LSAT.

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:05 pm
by freekick
Question to fellow reapplicants: Are you recyclying your LoRs? The PS will of course be new.

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:28 pm
by Strangeland
freekick wrote:Question to fellow reapplicants: Are you recyclying your LoRs? The PS will of course be new.

I am.

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:43 pm
by freekick
Strangeland wrote:
freekick wrote:Question to fellow reapplicants: Are you recyclying your LoRs? The PS will of course be new.

I am.


So the PS, and other essays if you are writing any, is the only change from before?

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:11 pm
by Strangeland
freekick wrote:
Strangeland wrote:
freekick wrote:Question to fellow reapplicants: Are you recyclying your LoRs? The PS will of course be new.

I am.


So the PS, and other essays if you are writing any, is the only change from before?

Yeah. Maybe I would recycle Why X school essays but I didn't like what I wrote the first time. There's also resume, if you have anything new to add. (I also had a new score)

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:23 pm
by freekick
Strangeland wrote:
freekick wrote:
Strangeland wrote:
freekick wrote:Question to fellow reapplicants: Are you recyclying your LoRs? The PS will of course be new.

I am.


So the PS, and other essays if you are writing any, is the only change from before?

Yeah. Maybe I would recycle Why X school essays but I didn't like what I wrote the first time. There's also resume, if you have anything new to add. (I also had a new score)


Thanks for sharing. Same combo for me: PS+resume+new score. I am not sure about Why X and diversity essays. Don't want to force them as I currently don't have solid basis for either.