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Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:44 pm
by pleasesendhelp
BEng,MBA,FRM,JD(?) wrote:Any idea when are the employment stats for 2016 class out? i know it would be out before April! Exact dates, anyone?


I think they should come out around the same time as the new USNEWS rankings, which I think are due to come out March 14~. I don't think they're all released at the same time though.

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 2:07 pm
by appind
CA1993 wrote:
myrik wrote:
appind wrote:any late Jan applicants who have heard from T6?


I was mid-Jan, got a JS1, but that's it. Haven't heard from anything else!


Mid//late Jan and I'm in at CLS and NYU


stats?

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:02 pm
by madxkings
appind wrote:any late Jan applicants who have heard from T6?


I applied mid-Jan, in at CLS. :)

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:04 am
by freekick
In at Cornell after a hatrick of t14 waitlists. Massive relief.

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:09 pm
by pleasesendhelp
Dinged at Stanford, totally expected but I'd figure I'd throw my app in the hat since I meet their median LSAT.

In at UT though!

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:13 am
by Cij
Hi everyone,

I am an international applicant as well (AA). Honestly, I don't expect a lot from this cycle. My LSAT score is only 152. I submitted my app to NYU in December last year and got my UR2/3 two days ago. I also applied to Stanford. But I haven't heard anything from them since early January. I have a question regarding URM. Is that concept also applicable to some international students? Thank you in advance. I wish everyone in this thread the best of luck!

Best,

S

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:47 am
by freekick
Cij wrote:Hi everyone,

I am an international applicant as well (AA). Honestly, I don't expect a lot from this cycle. My LSAT score is only 152. I submitted my app to NYU in December last year and got my UR2/3 two days ago. I also applied to Stanford. But I haven't heard anything from them since early January. I have a question regarding URM. Is that concept also applicable to some international students? Thank you in advance. I wish everyone in this thread the best of luck!

Best,

S


I think URM would be applicable to non-American applicants as well but the challenge would be in establishing that you are a URM applicant for the purposes of American law schools. I also think schools are likely to have different views on what they would consider URM outside of the US and what documentation would convince them of it.

No personal experience but sounds complex. Unless of course someone else on here knows better than my largely speculative view.

Edit: You should definitely consider writing to your target schools about this. Will get clear answers.

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:46 am
by CA1993
The grading conversion that LSAC suggested for my international transcript would put my GPA as significantly lower (almost .4) than what is suggested by the university / suggested by law schools study abroad programs. Is it worth writing to LSAC and flagging this to the schools that I haven't been accepted to yet and/or in case I am waitlisted?

Or is this just a matter of you win some you lose some.

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:56 am
by freekick
CA1993 wrote:The grading conversion that LSAC suggested for my international transcript would put my GPA as significantly lower (almost .4) than what is suggested by the university / suggested by law schools study abroad programs. Is it worth writing to LSAC and flagging this to the schools that I haven't been accepted to yet and/or in case I am waitlisted?

Or is this just a matter of you win some you lose some.


I would do both, write to LSAC and flag to schools, coz the decrease is significant enough and bringing it to the schools' notice may get them to look beyond (not ignore) the LSAC GPA. Your worst case is it that it doesn't help you and the best is it somewhat does. No harm in sight. Write on.

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:24 am
by CA1993
freekick wrote:
CA1993 wrote:The grading conversion that LSAC suggested for my international transcript would put my GPA as significantly lower (almost .4) than what is suggested by the university / suggested by law schools study abroad programs. Is it worth writing to LSAC and flagging this to the schools that I haven't been accepted to yet and/or in case I am waitlisted?

Or is this just a matter of you win some you lose some.


I would do both, write to LSAC and flag to schools, coz the decrease is significant enough and bringing it to the schools' notice may get them to look beyond (not ignore) the LSAC GPA. Your worst case is it that it doesn't help you and the best is it somewhat does. No harm in sight. Write on.


I think I'm just nervous about annoying admissions while they're so busy. But also that .4 difference could be a major factor.. Thanks for the advice! Good to know at least you don't think I'll be annoying them

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:54 am
by freekick
CA1993 wrote:
freekick wrote:
CA1993 wrote:The grading conversion that LSAC suggested for my international transcript would put my GPA as significantly lower (almost .4) than what is suggested by the university / suggested by law schools study abroad programs. Is it worth writing to LSAC and flagging this to the schools that I haven't been accepted to yet and/or in case I am waitlisted?

Or is this just a matter of you win some you lose some.


I would do both, write to LSAC and flag to schools, coz the decrease is significant enough and bringing it to the schools' notice may get them to look beyond (not ignore) the LSAC GPA. Your worst case is it that it doesn't help you and the best is it somewhat does. No harm in sight. Write on.


I think I'm just nervous about annoying admissions while they're so busy. But also that .4 difference could be a major factor.. Thanks for the advice! Good to know at least you don't think I'll be annoying them


This is serious stuff. They get get annoyed by frivolity.

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:34 am
by freekick
Has anyone filled out the DCF (Declaration of Finances) for I-20 issuance yet? I have a DCF related query I am unable to get an answer to. Please let me know if I can PM. Thanks a lot.

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 1:02 am
by freekick
freekick wrote:
galeatus wrote:
freekick wrote:Would be great if we start posting our outcomes school-wise. We could even compile it all later like the 2014-15 thread did.

I am a Jan applicant and have nothing so far.


Yeah I might get a spreadsheet up later or something, the 14-15 spreadsheet was incredibly helpful.

Fwiw, 171/AA, applied late Nov/Early Dec, dinged at Cornell and Penn, in at NU and GULC, still waiting on Duke/Berkeley/H/CCN


The Penn ding is not that surprising but Cornell is a bit of a shocker for 171/AA.


Hope everyone has most if not all decisions by now. Also hope people (pretty much) got what they wanted.

Galeatus, if you are still up for it, would you like to generate the spreadsheet you mentioned in the quoted post? We could have people input outcomes with usernames or anonymously, as they choose fit.

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 1:08 am
by galeatus
freekick wrote:
freekick wrote:
galeatus wrote:
freekick wrote:Would be great if we start posting our outcomes school-wise. We could even compile it all later like the 2014-15 thread did.

I am a Jan applicant and have nothing so far.


Yeah I might get a spreadsheet up later or something, the 14-15 spreadsheet was incredibly helpful.

Fwiw, 171/AA, applied late Nov/Early Dec, dinged at Cornell and Penn, in at NU and GULC, still waiting on Duke/Berkeley/H/CCN


The Penn ding is not that surprising but Cornell is a bit of a shocker for 171/AA.


Hope everyone has most if not all decisions by now. Also hope people (pretty much) got what they wanted.

Galeatus, if you are still up for it, would you like to generate the spreadsheet you mentioned in the quoted post? We could have people input outcomes with usernames or anonymously, as they choose fit.


Yeah sure! I'll put one together today

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 1:12 am
by freekick
galeatus wrote:
freekick wrote:
freekick wrote:
galeatus wrote:
freekick wrote:Would be great if we start posting our outcomes school-wise. We could even compile it all later like the 2014-15 thread did.

I am a Jan applicant and have nothing so far.


Yeah I might get a spreadsheet up later or something, the 14-15 spreadsheet was incredibly helpful.

Fwiw, 171/AA, applied late Nov/Early Dec, dinged at Cornell and Penn, in at NU and GULC, still waiting on Duke/Berkeley/H/CCN


The Penn ding is not that surprising but Cornell is a bit of a shocker for 171/AA.


Hope everyone has most if not all decisions by now. Also hope people (pretty much) got what they wanted.

Galeatus, if you are still up for it, would you like to generate the spreadsheet you mentioned in the quoted post? We could have people input outcomes with usernames or anonymously, as they choose fit.


Yeah sure! I'll put one together today


Thanks!

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 1:18 am
by masterz
galeatus wrote:
freekick wrote:
freekick wrote:
galeatus wrote:
freekick wrote:Would be great if we start posting our outcomes school-wise. We could even compile it all later like the 2014-15 thread did.

I am a Jan applicant and have nothing so far.


Yeah I might get a spreadsheet up later or something, the 14-15 spreadsheet was incredibly helpful.

Fwiw, 171/AA, applied late Nov/Early Dec, dinged at Cornell and Penn, in at NU and GULC, still waiting on Duke/Berkeley/H/CCN


The Penn ding is not that surprising but Cornell is a bit of a shocker for 171/AA.


Hope everyone has most if not all decisions by now. Also hope people (pretty much) got what they wanted.

Galeatus, if you are still up for it, would you like to generate the spreadsheet you mentioned in the quoted post? We could have people input outcomes with usernames or anonymously, as they choose fit.


Yeah sure! I'll put one together today


You da man, galeatus!

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 4:10 am
by galeatus
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

Here it is, full credits to whoever created the 2014-15 spreadsheet (I basically just downloaded it, cleaned it, and reuploaded it)

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 12:01 am
by freekick
Just inputted my cycle data. Have only a couple of decisions left. Will update once I have them.

Good to see the participation there. Would request everyone ITT to take time and input their data for posterity's benefit. Thanks.

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 6:36 am
by BEng,MBA,FRM,JD(?)
Guys, for an international on a student visa interested in biglaw in corporate and transactional law, is it better to go for Fordham over GW Law with the same effective COA? I understand NYC is a slightly easier (less prestige-, ties -and grade-whore) market to break in and hence easier for internationals who want biglaw. Also, I understand firms in NYC would be more willing to send associates to other countries in case one doesn't get an H1B visa.
Your views, please. Thanks

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:03 am
by intlbr
BEng,MBA,FRM,JD(?) wrote:Guys, for an international on a student visa interested in biglaw in corporate and transactional law, is it better to go for Fordham over GW Law with the same effective COA? I understand NYC is a slightly easier (less prestige-, ties -and grade-whore) market to break in and hence easier for internationals who want biglaw. Also, I understand firms in NYC would be more willing to send associates to other countries in case one doesn't get an H1B visa.
Your views, please. Thanks

I'm going to give you my personal view as an associate at a biglaw in the corporate and transactional practices... I am an attorney in my country and I work at an international office of a global firm as an associate, and I must say GW has much more prestige here in this firm. Full disclosure: it is a Washington D.C. based law firm. But I don't think NYC is an easier market to break, and there are many opportunities for international lawyers (especially those with a JD) in D.C. Again, this is my opinion observing the D.C. market much closer than the NY one (although the firm does have an office in NYC).

What I would suggest is that you go to Vault and check the Top50 law firms' websites. Type "Fordham" and "GW" in the "education" box, and see how these firms react to both schools (that is, how many associates, especially young ones). Finally, I think it all comes down to where you think you want to live and practice law. Both schools hold some prestige in their respective markets, so I think it is a matter of regional taste.

Hope this helps. PM me if you would like to discuss more about the corporate and transactional practice. :)

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 2:14 pm
by freekick
How does NY/DC biglaw view JDs who need work visa sponsorship? At OCI, how much of a disadvantage is the need for such sponsorship? Does it radically change the game? Would really appreciate if someone could shed light on this. Thanks a lot.

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:01 am
by pezberri
Applicant from the UK here - just discovered the thread so coming in late.

Had a really bad cycle that was unexpected so I'm trying to understand why.

AA/166
MA, industry publications, lived abroad, above average softs, great PS, human rights focus
Applied pretty late, around mid-Jan. Also applied for joint JD-PhD

Rejected at Stanford, NYU, Berkeley, Toronto. Waitlisted at UCLA

I'm getting the impression from the excel sheet and this thread that international admissions can be pretty random bc no GPA. Is this correct?

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:09 am
by freekick
pezberri wrote:I'm getting the impression from the excel sheet and this thread that international admissions can be pretty random bc no GPA. Is this correct?


Yes. Lack of a numerical GPA is major disadvantage, something I too figured out with a bad cycle. We don't help that median so the LSAT needs to be as high as you can make it. But even then outcomes are unpredictable​/random as you've noted in the spreadsheet. On top of all that, there seems to be some consensus that this cycle has been rather unusual.

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:15 am
by pezberri
freekick wrote:
pezberri wrote:I'm getting the impression from the excel sheet and this thread that international admissions can be pretty random bc no GPA. Is this correct?


Yes. Lack of a numerical GPA is major disadvantage, something I too figured out with a bad cycle. We don't help that median so the LSAT needs to be as high as you can make it. But even then outcomes are unpredictable​/random as you've noted in the spreadsheet. On top of all that, there seems to be some consensus that this cycle has been rather unusual.


Thanks for the input.

My law school advisor has been saying that as well, from speaking to her colleagues. Like Trump has scared schools away from intl students? But apparently there's also been a larger than average applicant pool.

Re: International Applicants 2016-17 cycle

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:15 am
by pezberri
potatocowpower wrote:High 170s/AA

Wait listed at Cornell, Penn, Northwestern
Dinged at Michigan

RIP self-esteem


yooooo :!: :!: :!:

That's crazy!! I'm so sorry