Charlie802 wrote: potus wrote:
Charlie802 wrote:What did you find made it weak? Quality of their positions, their support of the school, etc.?
The alumni's support of the school seemed forced by their positive interactions and support for the Office of Career Services. There were just some things that stood out to me. One alum got her associate job through RAMP and stated she likely wouldn't have picked up by her firm if it wasn't for that program (placing grads at around min salary at affordable cost to the firm). Another alum got pulled aside at her firm because she was a Cardozo Law student and then asked whether or not she could do the work. Not sure if I misheard. Somehow that was a positive interaction and led to the idea that people think Cardozo students are extremely hardworking. They seemed to reinforce the real landscape that Cardozo's tiered below "prestigious schools like Fordham," and they seemed baffled when asked about opportunities outside of NYC -- forcing an alum to cite her experiences working at the border of North/South Korea for the U.S. military. Outside the NYC Law Dept., the firms they worked in only had a handful of Cardozo students relative to other T14 and regionals, but made sure to say that all feedback has always been positive. And they also made sure to reiterate the moot court comps and beating schools like Harvard, etc.
Probably huge props for presenting what seems to be reality, but disconcerting in shaping the narrative for potential incoming 1L students.
Thank you. Incredibly insightful and helpful! I'm not leaning towards dozo, this reaffirms why.
Saw this post and figured this would be a good place to start. I am currently a 2L at Cardozo, so I feel like I can provide some insight to this discussion. When I was choosing what law school to go to, I was deciding between Cardozo, Fordham, American, George Washington, and Boulder. I chose Cardozo for the scholarship money, even though I was admitted to higher-ranked schools, and I do not regret it. I have had opportunities to work as a research assistant and a teaching assistant; I'm the new Senior Notes editor for the Law Review; I have a summer associate position at Akin Gump; and overall I have incredible relationships with the faculty at this school.
We have had plenty of students work outside of NY; many students choose to clerk for federal circuit court judges around the country, and students also end up with jobs both in the private and public sectors across the country. I know people who have gone to work at the Southern Poverty Law Center, the ACLU, government agencies in DC, law firms in Chicago and LA . . . the options are vast.
Regarding the ethos of hardworking Cardozo students, I agree that we have that reputation in the field. Cardozo is a young school looking to move up in the rankings and establish its position in the law school world, and students who graduate are eager to represent a law school that shaped them to be talented, respectful, and yes, hardworking law students.
I have had an incredible experience with the alum network at Cardozo. When going through the On Campus Interview process, I connected with many alums eager to see more Cardozo students at their law firms. In securing my summer associate position, I had five Cardozo alums reach out to me from Akin to see if I wanted to meet and discuss the firm. They are out there in force and they are excited to usher in more Cardozo graduates. Admittedly, there are fewer Cardozo students in law firms than students from Harvard, Yale, Columbia, etc., but part of that is due to how young we are as compared to these other schools. When it comes to the firms our students get into, there is no firm that is unwilling to accept Cardozo students. In my class year alone, we have students going to incredibly prestigious firms--Cravath, Kirkland, Cleary, Sullivan Cromwell, Skadden, Latham, Simpson, etc. If that is something you want, Cardozo can help you get there.
I'd love to help all of you out in making this choice. I remember how difficult it was for me, and I wish I had been able to speak to more students before making this decision. I understand the concerns articulated on this page--rankings, alum network, furniture stacked in the corner (it was only there to accommodate the reception on the third floor), older facilities, etc.You can ask me anything, I will answer honestly. I just don't want anyone's decision to be made based on misconceptions or fears of missed opportunities.