zot1 wrote: WheninLaw wrote:
zot1 wrote:More importantly, generally, once a judge has had a UCI student, they want another.
Most judges do not think like that, e.g., "I had a good UCLA clerk, so I want another." More often, the judge has a relationship with a person whom they trust for clerkship recommendations, or enjoys hiring from the local law school (for obvious reasons). If there are other professors that can and will make the call on your behalf, awesome, and Chem's departure will not change that.
That a judge had a good Irvine clerk certainly means they will consider Irvine applications (where they might not have before), but isn't going to mean a spot for an Irvine student each year.
Ultimately, I think you'll see a decrease in both circuit court hiring, and district court hiring outside of SD and CD Cal.
This is based on experience of the alumni. We get notices all the time that read like this: "hi everyone. I was a clerk for so and so and s/he is hiring and would love to have another UCI student. Please look up this judge on OSCAR." Now, if all the grads are lying about this, I couldn't tell ya. I'm not in their brains. But that's what I've seen for the past few years.
I should add that over the years I have seen grads go to some of the same judges which supports what I have seen.
I do not think they are lying, but you are overstating the significance of those emails. The clerks have a vested interest in promoting their law school and developing an alumni network in chambers. I did the same thing during my clerkships. Clerks have a major role in determining which applications the judge sees, so an Irvine clerk is important because he or she can push those application to the judge and recommend they extend an interview.
Chem's involvement is significant in several ways. Most importantly, he has direct contacts to judges that effectively bypass the screening process and almost guarantee that the judge will hire the student. This isn't Irvine specific, and it is how most feeder clerkships work, but Chem did it as well (or better) than almost anyone else. In addition, his recommendation (or email/call/etc) is critical for getting an application into the hands of the judge, or making it stand out from other applications.
I get that you have the "experience of alumni." But I'm telling you what I've seen while a clerk in multiple chambers. I mean, just last month we interviewed someone that was below our typical cutoff on Chem's recommendation.
Anyways, I'll stop posting in the Irvine thread and leave you to it, and I guess ultimately, the next few years will show the level of significance Chem had.