hipcatdaddio wrote: SeanORaff33 wrote: hipcatdaddio wrote: SeanORaff33 wrote:
josh9308 wrote:Does anyone know if UNC budges in scholarships in relation to a better scholarship from WF/Duke? Looking around, seems as if they don't negotiate much or at all, but I didn't know if Wake Forest/Duke being competing schools changed anything.
wondering the same thing. I have a 1l friend who said he only knew one person who successfully negotiated an increase at UNC.
historically, UNC doesn't really budge on scholarship offers. However, fundraising by the new Dean hit an all-time high this past year, so there's a chance there'll be more money to negotiate with this cycle. I definitely know of a few people who have successfully negotiated with UNC in the past, so it can be done, just not the norm. (source: I'm a 3L at UNC).
I got 65% from them and full at IU and Iowa, I'm waiting on Maryland and wake before I approach them to negotiate.
Considering that each of the schools you applied to is regional, I would be willing to bet that the Wake offer is the only offer that would interest UNC w/r/t willingness to negotiate. IU and Iowa serve such vastly different markets than UNC/Wake that the full to either IU/Iowa won't change UNC's opinion much. Wake is direct competition with UNC in just about everything, so their offer will be better for leverage.
It is also worth noting for both negotiations and choosing a school the differences between Wake and UNC. They are normally presented as regional peers, rank similarly, and have plenty of differences. The differences noted below may play a part in UNC not moving tremendously from a Wake offer, unless a large spread, though that is entirely speculative on my part. This may be more helpful, however, in your ultimate choice between the schools and hopefully to others as well.
This really only applies to those with biglaw or similar aspirations, which both schools far from guarantee. Using TLS's default that roughly 100+ attorneys is desirable for those who want biglaw or something approaching it and federal clerkships are another highly desirable outcome, the two schools differ tremendously. I always mess up figures, so feel free to note any mistakes.
In the class of 2015 UNC had 232 graduates. UNC had 8 graduates in firms of 101-250, 14 in 251-499, and 30 in 500+. UNC also had 12 students in Federal clerkships. That is a total of 64 out of 232 graduates, or 27.58%.
Keep in mind that UNC has quite the reputation as being a public interested focused student body and school, so perhaps these aren't your goals or necessarily the goals of UNC's students.
In contrast, in the Class of 2015 Wake had 138 students. Wake had 3 graduates in firms of 101-250, 4 in 251-499, and 9 in 500+. Wake also had no students in federal clerkships (anecdotally, some posters said they knew several in the next class who did have federal clerkships). That is a total of 16 out of 138, or 11.59%.
Thus, UNC in that 2015 class was over twice as likely to reach those particular outcomes.
To be fair, Wake had 3 unemployed out of 138, or 2.17% (with another 3 unknown), while UNC had 21 unemployed out of 232, or 9.05% (with another 3 unknown). Both had 2 students in law school funded positions, so that difference is marginal.
If your goals are different, look through the reports linked below if you have not come across them - UNC also reports a more detailed NALP version linked last, many private schools (Wake included, as far as I can tell) do not. You can see if a school usually publishes the NALP report at this first link (though it only goes to 2014, so check the school's site itself for the 2015 as more schools are beginning to release them).http://www.lawschooltransparency.com/re ... -Database/
Here are the two links for the UNC and Wake employment figures cited above.http://www.law.unc.edu/documents/career ... rt2015.pdfhttp://career.law.wfu.edu/files/2016/08 ... an2015.pdf
And the more detailed UNC NALP report - http://www.law.unc.edu/documents/career ... rt2015.pdf