somedeadman wrote: Gitaroo_Dude wrote: littlekidlover wrote: Gitaroo_Dude wrote: bitter_melon wrote:
Gitaroo_Dude wrote:Just heard back from WashU's adcomm office about the 46% employment number.
They told me that it IS referring to the upcoming 2016 data release, and that they are waiting for the ABA to certify the data before they can officially post it online.
So, we're still waiting on independent confirmation of it, but it sounds like they did have some kind of huge employment score boost. Would explain why there were willing to throw the number out over the weekend; must be confident the ABA reports will confirm it.
Just to clarify though, did they indicate that the number refers to what we refer to here as BL+FC? The wording on the promotional material was very ambiguous.
They didn't, unfortunately. Though to be fair I didn't think to ask for the nuance behind those terms. Just that the 46% they mentioned referred to biglaw + fedclerk for 2016, though that could be ambiguous.
I feel like they could have moved the goalpost on the firm size threshold and/or included non-federal clerkships. Would fully explain the jump.
Eh, like guybourdin said, even including state clerkships wouldn't account for a large increase. The only other possibility I could see would be some kind of creative linguistic gymnastics, like "46% of hired students got those outcomes" or something. Moving the goalposts on firm size, at least as I understand it, would probably lead to too big of an increase to be taken seriously.
That might be a game changer for me.
I think it is safe to assume they are including state and local clerks in any number that doesn't specify federal clerkships. biglaw typically means 101+ attorneys. Even if they wanted to include 51+ attorney firms (which would be ridiculous in this context) it wouldn't account for such a large jump. In the last 2 years, all clerkships + anyone at a firm with more than 51 attorneys only accounted for 38% of their placement.
last year, for example, if you tripled their state and local clerk placement, it would still only be 42% of the class.
of course, we can only speculate. last year fed clerk + 101+ atty firms accounted for 44% of full time, long term, bar passage required work. So the linguistic gymnastics gitaroo mentioned are certainly possible.