Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby votebuilder1 » Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:47 pm

seeprybyrun wrote:
votebuilder1 wrote:Checking in. Waitlisted yesterday. JSNone.

JS's are required for admission, yes? Anyone know when waitlisters start getting JS requests?


Yes. Probably starting in May.

Source: http://hls.harvard.edu/dept/jdadmission ... -waitlist/


Thanks!

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby laqueredup » Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:52 pm

Ding today... JSNone since November, suprised I made it to the last day, I'm going to pretend that is an achievement. It's been fun, good luck to those still standing.
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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby curry1 » Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:52 pm

WL'd, JS1 in 2016.

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby eck456 » Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:03 pm

WL! JSnone. Happy to be back in my old stomping ground I guess. Glad to still be in the game, tho Philly looking pretty good from Penn ASW today!

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby ad34964n » Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:04 pm

Dinged and just glad it's over

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby AllHailKingMao » Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:10 pm

WL, JS1 in Feb

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Anxious-Undergrad » Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:46 pm

Question: Waitlisted JSNONE as of now. I am still waiting on Yale and Stanford, but I have been graciously offered the Dillard at UVA. The deposit deadline is fast approaching.

What do you all think about : Harvard (WL) vs. UVA (Dillard). Or Stanford (in/WL) vs. UVA (Dillard)?

I know for certain I want to clerk and all three schools are awesome for clerking.

Such a tough (but very good) decision! Any thoughts would be much appreciated.

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Rigo » Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:48 pm

Anxious-Undergrad wrote:Question: Waitlisted JSNONE as of now. I am still waiting on Yale and Stanford, but I have been graciously offered the Dillard at UVA. The deposit deadline is fast approaching.

What do you all think about : Harvard (WL) vs. UVA (Dillard). Or Stanford (in/WL) vs. UVA (Dillard)?

I know for certain I want to clerk and all three schools are awesome for clerking.

Such a tough (but very good) decision! Any thoughts would be much appreciated.

Deposit at UVA for sure.
What do you want to do after possibly clerking?

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Anxious-Undergrad » Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:57 pm

Rigo wrote:
Anxious-Undergrad wrote:Question: Waitlisted JSNONE as of now. I am still waiting on Yale and Stanford, but I have been graciously offered the Dillard at UVA. The deposit deadline is fast approaching.

What do you all think about : Harvard (WL) vs. UVA (Dillard). Or Stanford (in/WL) vs. UVA (Dillard)?

I know for certain I want to clerk and all three schools are awesome for clerking.

Such a tough (but very good) decision! Any thoughts would be much appreciated.

Deposit at UVA for sure.
What do you want to do after possibly clerking?


Probably Big-Law, but maybe JAG.

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Alexandros » Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:59 pm

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Rigo » Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:00 pm

Anxious-Undergrad wrote:
Rigo wrote:
Anxious-Undergrad wrote:Question: Waitlisted JSNONE as of now. I am still waiting on Yale and Stanford, but I have been graciously offered the Dillard at UVA. The deposit deadline is fast approaching.
What do you all think about : Harvard (WL) vs. UVA (Dillard). Or Stanford (in/WL) vs. UVA (Dillard)?
I know for certain I want to clerk and all three schools are awesome for clerking.
Such a tough (but very good) decision! Any thoughts would be much appreciated.

Deposit at UVA for sure.
What do you want to do after possibly clerking?

Probably Big-Law, but maybe JAG.

Honestly I would just go to UVA. But there's no harm in riding waitlists. UVA has some pretty big deposits to just walk away from in July though.

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Rigo » Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:02 pm

Harvard clerking numbers aren't even that much better than Virginia so I don't think that'd be worth the money at all.

16% v. 19%

Compared to 26% for S and 34% for Y

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Anxious-Undergrad » Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:19 pm

Rigo wrote:Harvard clerking numbers aren't even that much better than Virginia so I don't think that'd be worth the money at all.

16% v. 19%

Compared to 26% for S and 34% for Y



I would certainly go to UVA if I was still on the waitlist by July. I really loved Charlottesville on my visit but I also like Palo Alto and Cambridge. That fact that I am a JSNONE leads me to believe I am at the bottom of the Waitlist pile at Harvard. Can anyone confirm JS1s get preference over JSNONEs on the waitlist?

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby sittykitty » Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:20 pm

All quiet on the Western front...is this it for today?

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby acz26 » Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:53 pm

Rigo wrote:Harvard clerking numbers aren't even that much better than Virginia so I don't think that'd be worth the money at all.

16% v. 19%

Compared to 26% for S and 34% for Y



Where are you getting these numbers from...Stanford posts 35% on its website, and Yale has about 40% on its website, I believe. Harvard's is also higher

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby seeprybyrun » Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:55 pm

acz26 wrote:
Rigo wrote:Harvard clerking numbers aren't even that much better than Virginia so I don't think that'd be worth the money at all.

16% v. 19%

Compared to 26% for S and 34% for Y



Where are you getting these numbers from...Stanford posts 35% on its website, and Yale has about 40% on its website, I believe. Harvard's is also higher


Sounds like the Law School Transparency numbers.

The numbers on the websites might be out of date; alternatively, they might be new numbers not yet calculated into the LST numbers.

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby unrelated » Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:07 pm

acz26 wrote:
Rigo wrote:Harvard clerking numbers aren't even that much better than Virginia so I don't think that'd be worth the money at all.

16% v. 19%

Compared to 26% for S and 34% for Y



Where are you getting these numbers from...Stanford posts 35% on its website, and Yale has about 40% on its website, I believe. Harvard's is also higher


Aren't clerkship percentages kinda pointless unless class size is also taken into account? 16% of Harvard class and 19% of UVA class are both higher total numbers than S and Y.

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby ZVBXRPL » Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:13 pm

Can one mention WL while negotiating other schools?

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Rigo » Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:14 pm

unrelated wrote:
acz26 wrote:
Rigo wrote:Harvard clerking numbers aren't even that much better than Virginia so I don't think that'd be worth the money at all.

16% v. 19%

Compared to 26% for S and 34% for Y



Where are you getting these numbers from...Stanford posts 35% on its website, and Yale has about 40% on its website, I believe. Harvard's is also higher


Aren't clerkship percentages kinda pointless unless class size is also taken into account? 16% of Harvard class and 19% of UVA class are both higher total numbers than S and Y.

Percentages control for class size. Idg your issue with the methodology.

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Rigo » Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:14 pm

acz26 wrote:
Rigo wrote:Harvard clerking numbers aren't even that much better than Virginia so I don't think that'd be worth the money at all.

16% v. 19%

Compared to 26% for S and 34% for Y



Where are you getting these numbers from...Stanford posts 35% on its website, and Yale has about 40% on its website, I believe. Harvard's is also higher

Straight up ABA data
http://employmentsummary.abaquestionnaire.org

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Pozzo » Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:19 pm

unrelated wrote:
acz26 wrote:
Rigo wrote:Harvard clerking numbers aren't even that much better than Virginia so I don't think that'd be worth the money at all.

16% v. 19%

Compared to 26% for S and 34% for Y



Where are you getting these numbers from...Stanford posts 35% on its website, and Yale has about 40% on its website, I believe. Harvard's is also higher


Aren't clerkship percentages kinda pointless unless class size is also taken into account? 16% of Harvard class and 19% of UVA class are both higher total numbers than S and Y.

Opposite, actually. Raw numbers don't mean much unless class size is taken into account.

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Rigo » Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:21 pm

Pozzo wrote:
unrelated wrote:
acz26 wrote:
Rigo wrote:Harvard clerking numbers aren't even that much better than Virginia so I don't think that'd be worth the money at all.

16% v. 19%

Compared to 26% for S and 34% for Y



Where are you getting these numbers from...Stanford posts 35% on its website, and Yale has about 40% on its website, I believe. Harvard's is also higher


Aren't clerkship percentages kinda pointless unless class size is also taken into account? 16% of Harvard class and 19% of UVA class are both higher total numbers than S and Y.

Opposite, actually. Raw numbers don't mean much unless class size is taken into account.

Some lawyers can do math, I swear!

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby seeprybyrun » Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:25 pm

Rigo wrote:
Pozzo wrote:
unrelated wrote:
acz26 wrote:
Rigo wrote:Harvard clerking numbers aren't even that much better than Virginia so I don't think that'd be worth the money at all.

16% v. 19%

Compared to 26% for S and 34% for Y



Where are you getting these numbers from...Stanford posts 35% on its website, and Yale has about 40% on its website, I believe. Harvard's is also higher


Aren't clerkship percentages kinda pointless unless class size is also taken into account? 16% of Harvard class and 19% of UVA class are both higher total numbers than S and Y.

Opposite, actually. Raw numbers don't mean much unless class size is taken into account.

Some lawyers can do math, I swear!


I'm curious what percentage of the class in each of these schools applies for clerkships. If 60% of Yale grads apply but only 40% get one, that's as good as 45% of Harvard grads applying and 15% getting one.

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Pozzo » Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:31 pm

seeprybyrun wrote:
Rigo wrote:
Pozzo wrote:
unrelated wrote:
acz26 wrote:
Rigo wrote:Harvard clerking numbers aren't even that much better than Virginia so I don't think that'd be worth the money at all.

16% v. 19%

Compared to 26% for S and 34% for Y



Where are you getting these numbers from...Stanford posts 35% on its website, and Yale has about 40% on its website, I believe. Harvard's is also higher


Aren't clerkship percentages kinda pointless unless class size is also taken into account? 16% of Harvard class and 19% of UVA class are both higher total numbers than S and Y.

Opposite, actually. Raw numbers don't mean much unless class size is taken into account.

Some lawyers can do math, I swear!


I'm curious what percentage of the class in each of these schools applies for clerkships. If 60% of Yale grads apply but only 40% get one, that's as good as 45% of Harvard grads applying and 15% getting one.

Not sure that data is readily available, so outcomes is all we really have to go on. You might be able to get some anecdata over on the clerkship board or the HLS/YLS threads "Ask a Law Student" board.

And if my math is right (which it may not be--it's been a long week), it would actually be more like 60% applied/40% successful and 45% applied/30% successful.

e: FWIW, there is data on the per capita placement and overall placement for Supreme Court Clerks here. Harvard and Yale have placed almost the same number of SCCs over the 10 year period, but the per capita rate is much higher for Y due to its small size. S's per capita rate is on par with H.
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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Rigo » Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:32 pm

:mrgreen: You're a star pozzo




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