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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:06 am
by Leliana
LHS17 wrote:
Leliana wrote:
LHS17 wrote:If you do get waitlisted and interviewed once more, tell them you'll commit if accepted. This worked for someone I know.

Tell them IF TRUE


HLS already states explicitly on their website that you should stay on the waitlist only if you're certain you would accept an offer of admission.


Many wouldn't be certain without knowing financial aid.


I agree, but it seems like they expect you to be. I was mostly trying to point out that that particular strategy (saying you'll commit if accepted) may not be as helpful as it could be with other schools' waitlists because the presumption that you'll commit already exists on HLS's part.

Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:07 am
by eck456
KateMcKitten wrote:
appind wrote:guess it's about time someone who knows firsthand about admissions process in HLS tell us why this cycle is weird and the prognosis thereof.

Someone in the Y thread suggested that Y's delay was because professors who generally review apps are busy fighting Trump's measures, so the office is waiting on them to submit their feedback. Admittedly, H's process is a lot less reliant on faculty, but I wouldn't be surprised if that had contributed to the slowdown.


Lol this was me after I talked to a friend at Yale who's tight w the admissions team..no real insight on what Harvard law profs are doing other than not admitting me tho haha

Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:25 am
by proteinshake
addie1412 wrote:SEVEN WAITLISTS LATER AND JS2!!!!!!!!!

Just got the call, interviewed 1/25. LSAT = 75, GPA <<25

congrats!!!!!!! :mrgreen:

Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:53 am
by jaketp123
So is the JS2 wave not continuing today?

Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:56 am
by futuregingerlawyer
Sorry I didn't post earlier/yesterday, but I was far too overwhelmed with excitement:

JS2! Got the call from Anne around noon! 173/3.8 non-URM KJD. Interviewed 1/4, had almost lost all hope but thank god!

Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:58 am
by LHS17
Leliana wrote:
LHS17 wrote:
Leliana wrote:
LHS17 wrote:If you do get waitlisted and interviewed once more, tell them you'll commit if accepted. This worked for someone I know.

Tell them IF TRUE


HLS already states explicitly on their website that you should stay on the waitlist only if you're certain you would accept an offer of admission.


Many wouldn't be certain without knowing financial aid.


I agree, but it seems like they expect you to be. I was mostly trying to point out that that particular strategy (saying you'll commit if accepted) may not be as helpful as it could be with other schools' waitlists because the presumption that you'll commit already exists on HLS's part.


I would presume people haven't read the fine print (I know which article you're referencing though) and appreciate reassurance if I were in their shoes. Also, the expectation seems so impractical that I wouldn't expect every interviewer to hold it.

Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:59 am
by LHS17
Leliana wrote:
LHS17 wrote:
Leliana wrote:
LHS17 wrote:If you do get waitlisted and interviewed once more, tell them you'll commit if accepted. This worked for someone I know.

Tell them IF TRUE


HLS already states explicitly on their website that you should stay on the waitlist only if you're certain you would accept an offer of admission.


Many wouldn't be certain without knowing financial aid.


I agree, but it seems like they expect you to be. I was mostly trying to point out that that particular strategy (saying you'll commit if accepted) may not be as helpful as it could be with other schools' waitlists because the presumption that you'll commit already exists on HLS's part.


But yes, I agree with you, too. It may not be as helpful as other places.

Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:09 pm
by hellohalo
Leliana wrote:
LHS17 wrote:
Leliana wrote:
LHS17 wrote:If you do get waitlisted and interviewed once more, tell them you'll commit if accepted. This worked for someone I know.

Tell them IF TRUE


HLS already states explicitly on their website that you should stay on the waitlist only if you're certain you would accept an offer of admission.


Many wouldn't be certain without knowing financial aid.


I agree, but it seems like they expect you to be. I was mostly trying to point out that that particular strategy (saying you'll commit if accepted) may not be as helpful as it could be with other schools' waitlists because the presumption that you'll commit already exists on HLS's part.


I believe stating the true commitment will help if anything
The argument is would SOMEONE you know still get in without explicitly committing themselves?

Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:17 pm
by KaijuOh8
futuregingerlawyer wrote:Sorry I didn't post earlier/yesterday, but I was far too overwhelmed with excitement:

JS2! Got the call from Anne around noon! 173/3.8 non-URM KJD. Interviewed 1/4, had almost lost all hope but thank god!


Sounds like WL is all I can hope for at this point... Congratulations though!

Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:16 pm
by kamy123
Any URM's still waiting/hoping for a JS1?
What's going on with this cycle... Going insane!

Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:21 pm
by poptart123
kamy123 wrote:Any URM's still waiting/hoping for a JS1?
What's going on with this cycle... Going insane!


yes

Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:32 pm
by taxman14
poptart123 wrote:
kamy123 wrote:Any URM's still waiting/hoping for a JS1?
What's going on with this cycle... Going insane!


yes


so bizarre...a ton will happen in the next week

Quick q: any estimates of how many JS2s are remaining?? I'm sure someone has done the analysis

Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:39 pm
by poptart123
taxman14 wrote:
poptart123 wrote:
kamy123 wrote:Any URM's still waiting/hoping for a JS1?
What's going on with this cycle... Going insane!


yes


so bizarre...a ton will happen in the next week

Quick q: any estimates of how many JS2s are remaining?? I'm sure someone has done the analysis


what makes you think a lot will happen next week? I want to be optimistic!

Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:44 pm
by taxman14
poptart123 wrote:
taxman14 wrote:
poptart123 wrote:
kamy123 wrote:Any URM's still waiting/hoping for a JS1?
What's going on with this cycle... Going insane!


yes


so bizarre...a ton will happen in the next week

Quick q: any estimates of how many JS2s are remaining?? I'm sure someone has done the analysis


what makes you think a lot will happen next week? I want to be optimistic!


Last year there was a big wave on 3/28 s othat would be next week!

Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:45 pm
by kamy123
poptart123 wrote:
taxman14 wrote:
poptart123 wrote:
kamy123 wrote:Any URM's still waiting/hoping for a JS1?
What's going on with this cycle... Going insane!


yes


so bizarre...a ton will happen in the next week

Quick q: any estimates of how many JS2s are remaining?? I'm sure someone has done the analysis


what makes you think a lot will happen next week? I want to be optimistic!


Is there any hope for a JS1 this late in the cycle? With all this talk about decisions being made by April 1st, I'm beginning to lose all hope...

Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:54 pm
by KaijuOh8
kamy123 wrote:Is there any hope for a JS1 this late in the cycle? With all this talk about decisions being made by April 1st, I'm beginning to lose all hope...


If you get waitlisted without a JS1, you might get a JS1 later. TBF, I would start managing my expectations if I were in your position.

Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:58 pm
by SybillAnnDorsett
KaijuOh8 wrote:
kamy123 wrote:Is there any hope for a JS1 this late in the cycle? With all this talk about decisions being made by April 1st, I'm beginning to lose all hope...


If you get waitlisted without a JS1, you might get a JS1 later. TBF, I would start managing my expectations if I were in your position.


I wonder why last year and the year before, the first JS2s went to WL-JS1s and not pre-WL JS1s.
Gives me hope that if I'm waitlisted I could hear as early as late May.

(delusions of grandeur are so fun, you should really try it!)

Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:00 pm
by LegalAAA
I wonder why last year and the year before, the first JS2s went to WL-JS1s and not pre-WL JS1s.
Gives me hope that if I'm waitlisted I could hear as early as late May.


A lot of people probably take themselves off the waitlist by that point.

Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:09 pm
by LSRAT
Also, since there are no interviews tomorrow, doesn't it make sense that a large reject/wl wave will happen?

Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:11 pm
by Kinch08
taxman14 wrote:
poptart123 wrote:
kamy123 wrote:Any URM's still waiting/hoping for a JS1?
What's going on with this cycle... Going insane!


yes


so bizarre...a ton will happen in the next week

Quick q: any estimates of how many JS2s are remaining?? I'm sure someone has done the analysis


Here's some math I did in a PM to SMC that might be comforting/helpful to all the other JS1's who haven't heard back yet:

There's one wave left, probably average-sized (so, 1/5 of the 1000 non-WL admits, or 200 potential HLS'ers). Maybe 30 spots in it (I'm just spitballing here, but it's honest spitballing--I'm not fudging numbers to make you feel better) will be taken up by last-minute JS1's (there haven't been enough last-minute JS1's to fill more than 30 ish spots). We know from the thread that everyone who wasn't a last minute JS1 (i.e. people with JS1's in early March or earlier) was considered for this last wave, so the other 170 JS2's will be given out to people exactly like you. I don't think there's any reason to suppose that you have a better chance than someone who JS1'd in November, but by the same token, I don't think there's any reason to suppose that you have a worse shot than someone who JS1'd in late February. So the question is, how many people are you competing against for those 170 spots? Well, that math is easy--it's the total number of non-WL JS1's (around 1200, when you account for the last-minute people) minus the admits so far (800-ish). 400. 170/400 = 42.5%. You have a better than 40% "raw" chance of getting in. That's not the 75% chance you started out with, but it ain't bad.

Now, of course, those 170 spots are not given away randomly. It's a numbers game, just like it always has been.

Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:11 pm
by seeprybyrun
LSRAT wrote:Also, since there are no interviews tomorrow, doesn't it make sense that a large reject/wl wave will happen?


Could happen, certainly. Will happen? No idea.

Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:12 pm
by Anon.y.mousse.
Kinch08 wrote:
taxman14 wrote:
poptart123 wrote:
kamy123 wrote:Any URM's still waiting/hoping for a JS1?
What's going on with this cycle... Going insane!


yes


so bizarre...a ton will happen in the next week

Quick q: any estimates of how many JS2s are remaining?? I'm sure someone has done the analysis


Here's some math I did in a PM to SMC that might be comforting/helpful to all the other JS1's who haven't heard back yet:

There's one wave left, probably average-sized (so, 1/5 of the 1000 non-WL admits, or 200 potential HLS'ers). Maybe 30 spots in it (I'm just spitballing here, but it's honest spitballing--I'm not fudging numbers to make you feel better) will be taken up by last-minute JS1's (there haven't been enough last-minute JS1's to fill more than 30 ish spots). We know from the thread that everyone who wasn't a last minute JS1 (i.e. people with JS1's in early March or earlier) was considered for this last wave, so the other 170 JS2's will be given out to people exactly like you. I don't think there's any reason to suppose that you have a better chance than someone who JS1'd in November, but by the same token, I don't think there's any reason to suppose that you have a worse shot than someone who JS1'd in late February. So the question is, how many people are you competing against for those 170 spots? Well, that math is easy--it's the total number of non-WL JS1's (around 1200, when you account for the last-minute people) minus the admits so far (800-ish). 400. 170/400 = 42.5%. You have a better than 40% "raw" chance of getting in. That's not the 75% chance you started out with, but it ain't bad.

Now, of course, those 170 spots are not given away randomly. It's a numbers game, just like it always has been.


you're my hero

Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:14 pm
by Leliana
seeprybyrun wrote:
LSRAT wrote:Also, since there are no interviews tomorrow, doesn't it make sense that a large reject/wl wave will happen?


Could happen, certainly. Will happen? No idea.


I don't think so because admissions will almost certainly be busy at ASW tomorrow.

Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:19 pm
by seeprybyrun
Leliana wrote:
seeprybyrun wrote:
LSRAT wrote:Also, since there are no interviews tomorrow, doesn't it make sense that a large reject/wl wave will happen?


Could happen, certainly. Will happen? No idea.


I don't think so because admissions will almost certainly be busy at ASW tomorrow.


True, but WL/ding emails don't take much work to send. Someone just has to push a button, assuming they've been batched up for release.

Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:20 pm
by seeprybyrun
Kinch08 wrote:Here's some math I did in a PM to SMC that might be comforting/helpful to all the other JS1's who haven't heard back yet:

There's one wave left, probably average-sized (so, 1/5 of the 1000 non-WL admits, or 200 potential HLS'ers). Maybe 30 spots in it (I'm just spitballing here, but it's honest spitballing--I'm not fudging numbers to make you feel better) will be taken up by last-minute JS1's (there haven't been enough last-minute JS1's to fill more than 30 ish spots). We know from the thread that everyone who wasn't a last minute JS1 (i.e. people with JS1's in early March or earlier) was considered for this last wave, so the other 170 JS2's will be given out to people exactly like you. I don't think there's any reason to suppose that you have a better chance than someone who JS1'd in November, but by the same token, I don't think there's any reason to suppose that you have a worse shot than someone who JS1'd in late February. So the question is, how many people are you competing against for those 170 spots? Well, that math is easy--it's the total number of non-WL JS1's (around 1200, when you account for the last-minute people) minus the admits so far (800-ish). 400. 170/400 = 42.5%. You have a better than 40% "raw" chance of getting in. That's not the 75% chance you started out with, but it ain't bad.

Now, of course, those 170 spots are not given away randomly. It's a numbers game, just like it always has been.


Here's hoping! :wink:

FWIW, I just got a Vandy from NYU this morning. So that takes some of the sting out.