Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

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Next JS2 wave(s) will be...

Monday 3/27
2
2%
Tuesday 3/28
18
17%
Wednesday 3/29
35
33%
Thursday 3/30
13
12%
Friday 3/31
29
27%
Saturday 4/1
10
9%
 
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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby appind » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:56 pm

where did they say only 1000 interviews?

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby whatislife » Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:02 pm

This interview:

http://www.admissionsdean.com/researchi ... sica-soban
Additionally, although we have interviewed about 1,000 students in the past few years, we are aiming for 1,200 this year.

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby curry1 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:11 pm

If they only did a 1000 JS1's this cycle, the real admit rate would be significantly higher than 90% as some JS1ers who are also Y/S/CCN full ride admits will inevitably withdraw before getting a decision.

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby goldenbear2020 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:19 pm

whatislife wrote:This interview:

http://www.admissionsdean.com/researchi ... sica-soban
Additionally, although we have interviewed about 1,000 students in the past few years, we are aiming for 1,200 this year.

HLS also admitted only 840 back in those years when they had a ~65% yield.

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby dyebri » Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:22 pm

goldenbear2020 wrote:
whatislife wrote:This interview:

http://www.admissionsdean.com/researchi ... sica-soban
Additionally, although we have interviewed about 1,000 students in the past few years, we are aiming for 1,200 this year.

HLS also admitted only 840 back in those years when they had a ~65% yield.



regardless, their yield rate is 50 percent now...

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby KaijuOh8 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:24 pm

curry1 wrote:If they only did a 1000 JS1's this cycle, the real admit rate would be significantly higher than 90% as some JS1ers who are also Y/S/CCN full ride admits will inevitably withdraw before getting a decision.


You mean the admission rate for those who were interviewed would be higher than 90%. Wouldn't it be wonderful if Harvard's overall admission rate was over 90% (for this particular cycle, that is)? :wink:

I too agree that we may have many more people who are choosing not to share their fate on the Internet. But the idea of Harvard interviewing only about 1,000 people this year is incredibly comforting (the underlying assumption being that I would be included in the 800-900 admitted students).

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby AllHailKingMao » Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:45 pm

KaijuOh8 wrote:
curry1 wrote:If they only did a 1000 JS1's this cycle, the real admit rate would be significantly higher than 90% as some JS1ers who are also Y/S/CCN full ride admits will inevitably withdraw before getting a decision.


You mean the admission rate for those who were interviewed would be higher than 90%. Wouldn't it be wonderful if Harvard's overall admission rate was over 90% (for this particular cycle, that is)? :wink:

I too agree that we may have many more people who are choosing not to share their fate on the Internet. But the idea of Harvard interviewing only about 1,000 people this year is incredibly comforting (the underlying assumption being that I would be included in the 800-900 admitted students).


Are we all playing ourselves? JS1 holder here and I'm getting too optimistic.

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby KaijuOh8 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:52 pm

AllHailKingMao wrote:
KaijuOh8 wrote:
curry1 wrote:If they only did a 1000 JS1's this cycle, the real admit rate would be significantly higher than 90% as some JS1ers who are also Y/S/CCN full ride admits will inevitably withdraw before getting a decision.


You mean the admission rate for those who were interviewed would be higher than 90%. Wouldn't it be wonderful if Harvard's overall admission rate was over 90% (for this particular cycle, that is)? :wink:

I too agree that we may have many more people who are choosing not to share their fate on the Internet. But the idea of Harvard interviewing only about 1,000 people this year is incredibly comforting (the underlying assumption being that I would be included in the 800-900 admitted students).


Are we all playing ourselves? JS1 holder here and I'm getting too optimistic.


Maybe. But we can all hope and dream, right? Especially when admission to Harvard Law is at stake. I say we can keep our hopes up until 8:29:59 a.m. EST on next Monday.

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby cmkk13 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:11 pm

KateMcKitten wrote:
Kinch08 wrote:
pkalltheway wrote:Are we sure that April 1st is the deadline? The website says decisions will go out by the end of April. :(


I'm 100% sure that I saw something on some official harvard site/material (their application, maybe?) that said anyone who went complete by the deadline (2/1) would receive a decision by 4/1. It's clear from past years that anyone who gets admitted, regardless of when they went complete, will get a decision by 4/1, and that the only people who don't are people who:

a) went complete after the deadline, and

b) get WL'd or dinged.

I believe your app only had to be *received* by 2/1, not go complete, to hear back by 4/1. I may know this because, as I went complete on 2/14, I may have had a meltdown and did a lot of research on the subject.


Just to clarify this point (and muddy the general waters further) it is in fact complete by 2/1 that is required for a response by 4/1. From the application instructions:

Please note that due to the volume of materials we receive, it normally takes several weeks from the time we receive an application to process required materials and to "complete" the application for submission to the Admissions Committee. Applicants whose materials are completed by the February 1 deadline will have a decision rendered by April 1. Applications that become complete after the deadline are not guaranteed to have a decision rendered before April 1.


So in theory, there could be a number of JS1s remaining if HLS had an unusually high volume of applicants in late January/on February 1. Or if HLS had an unusually low volume of high quality early applicants. Obviously this would be a break from prior years. Paging dyebri and her/his incessant whining about the countercycle?

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby seeprybyrun » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:47 pm

cmkk13 wrote:So in theory, there could be a number of JS1s remaining if HLS had an unusually high volume of applicants in late January/on February 1. Or if HLS had an unusually low volume of high quality early applicants. Obviously this would be a break from prior years. Paging dyebri and her/his incessant whining about the countercycle?


What is a etc etc etc.

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby appind » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:55 pm

whatislife wrote:This interview:

http://www.admissionsdean.com/researchi ... sica-soban
Additionally, although we have interviewed about 1,000 students in the past few years, we are aiming for 1,200 this year.


there's data on TLS that suggests that even pre 2012, the interview to admit rate was somewhere like 75% not 90%.

also note that's pre JSoban's tenure under a different dean and they admitted smaller numbers close to 800 or so. even with just 1000 interviews, the admit rate then would be somewhere around 80%, though i think it was closer to 75% overall.

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby dyebri » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:59 pm

PAGING SPIVY!!!!!


Are we in a countercycle!!!!!??!??



Cmon you promised us this answered 4 months ago!!!!!

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby appind » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:24 am

new poll about js1 js2s received so far and past wave dates?

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby lsa16 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:23 pm

tartan2016 wrote:
CHyde wrote:
Kinch08 wrote:
CHyde wrote:
Pozzo wrote:
CHyde wrote:Anybody above 25ths for both get rejected (I.E., 170+ & 3.7+)? PM me if you're not comfortable posting.

Saw a 172/3.9 rejected on LSN today.


Yea...I saw that and was curious about whether or not that was an aberration or whether there was a significant sample. I know there are applicants with weaker numbers who are still in the fold. Curious as to their methodology for this particular ding wave.


There are all sorts of reasons why someone with those numbers could get dinged early. My money is on "said something dumb in the Applicants thread." Let that be a lesson to you, kids.


Agreed. Looking at this person's LSN though, they've gotten into UChi and other similarly ranked schools with $$ so I'm going to assume nothing was devastating in their application. Then again, they might've tried to get fancy with H-specific LORs which bombed or H didn't like their international masters degree (no idea why they wouldn't).

Based on some conventional wisdom regarding admits though, including MS9's blog about applicant timelines, apps which are borderline are usually confined to a separate pile from "auto/near auto-rejects" for late game decisions. So it's somewhat confusing that this person is getting dinged right now, rather than late March, or even waitlisted. Most of the other rejects on LSN have applicants with numbers below both 25ths or are massive splitters.

I'm just going to keep speculating here in hopes of getting to a JS2 wave/avoiding my own ding...

Edited in light of new posts: Do we think interviews make that much of a difference? People have also posted here that they had "meh" interviews and still have gotten accepted. Sans being an arrogant sociopath, I am unsure how large of a role to consider the interview here.


After reading the HLS blog, to me it doesn't seem like interviews "make or break" the decision. Seems like the faculty review that comes after the interview might have a lot to do with the JS1s that get rejected, along with the final adcom review where they look at the whole application again including interview notes. Just my thoughts, not necessarily correct


Hi I am that applicant, didn't try to get fancy with anything, and pretty sure I didn't say anything dumb in the thread since I have hardly posted here. :) I did also point out that my undergrad was super non-prestigious. Transcripts look a little funny as my college was brief and split between two institutions, also a potentially risky PS depending on your views, etc, so would say I'm not necessarily the representative applicant of my numbers.

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Choose89 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:57 pm

I think its pretty clear at this point that they are doing whatever they can to desperately hang on to their ranking.

This means trying to get cross-admits to withdraw by blowing back the timeline, returning to spreadsheets to try and optimize numbers by rebalencing with later applicants, delaying their interview cycle, accepting the GRE, and every other mechanism you can think of.

I wouldn't be surprised to see aid increases or a number of new students reduction at this point.

Darkest possible timeline has become the infinite timeline?

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby curry1 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:20 pm

I'm feeling a huge 3/31 wave (Wl/admits)

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby alpinespring » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:24 pm

lsa16 wrote:
tartan2016 wrote:
CHyde wrote:
Kinch08 wrote:
CHyde wrote:
Pozzo wrote:
CHyde wrote:Anybody above 25ths for both get rejected (I.E., 170+ & 3.7+)? PM me if you're not comfortable posting.

Saw a 172/3.9 rejected on LSN today.


Yea...I saw that and was curious about whether or not that was an aberration or whether there was a significant sample. I know there are applicants with weaker numbers who are still in the fold. Curious as to their methodology for this particular ding wave.


There are all sorts of reasons why someone with those numbers could get dinged early. My money is on "said something dumb in the Applicants thread." Let that be a lesson to you, kids.


Agreed. Looking at this person's LSN though, they've gotten into UChi and other similarly ranked schools with $$ so I'm going to assume nothing was devastating in their application. Then again, they might've tried to get fancy with H-specific LORs which bombed or H didn't like their international masters degree (no idea why they wouldn't).

Based on some conventional wisdom regarding admits though, including MS9's blog about applicant timelines, apps which are borderline are usually confined to a separate pile from "auto/near auto-rejects" for late game decisions. So it's somewhat confusing that this person is getting dinged right now, rather than late March, or even waitlisted. Most of the other rejects on LSN have applicants with numbers below both 25ths or are massive splitters.

I'm just going to keep speculating here in hopes of getting to a JS2 wave/avoiding my own ding...

Edited in light of new posts: Do we think interviews make that much of a difference? People have also posted here that they had "meh" interviews and still have gotten accepted. Sans being an arrogant sociopath, I am unsure how large of a role to consider the interview here.


After reading the HLS blog, to me it doesn't seem like interviews "make or break" the decision. Seems like the faculty review that comes after the interview might have a lot to do with the JS1s that get rejected, along with the final adcom review where they look at the whole application again including interview notes. Just my thoughts, not necessarily correct


Hi I am that applicant, didn't try to get fancy with anything, and pretty sure I didn't say anything dumb in the thread since I have hardly posted here. :) I did also point out that my undergrad was super non-prestigious. Transcripts look a little funny as my college was brief and split between two institutions, also a potentially risky PS depending on your views, etc, so would say I'm not necessarily the representative applicant of my numbers.


Omg.. i will be joining you soon but you sound like someone who really deserved a spot at HLS. Good luck wherever you go.

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Pozzo » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:48 pm

Nu pole

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Postby seeprybyrun » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:07 pm

Pozzo wrote:Nu pole


Is this when you got the invite or had the interview? (Got invite 2/28, interviewed 3/2)

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Postby WordsworthIsBae » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:08 pm

seeprybyrun wrote:
Pozzo wrote:Nu pole


Is this when you got the invite or had the interview? (Got invite 2/28, interviewed 3/2)


LOL I just PMed Pozzo the same question. :lol:

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Pozzo » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:13 pm

WordsworthIsBae wrote:
seeprybyrun wrote:
Pozzo wrote:Nu pole


Is this when you got the invite or had the interview? (Got invite 2/28, interviewed 3/2)


LOL I just PMed Pozzo the same question. :lol:

Let's do actual interview date for consistency's sake.

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby appind » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:44 pm

Pozzo wrote:
WordsworthIsBae wrote:
seeprybyrun wrote:
Pozzo wrote:Nu pole


Is this when you got the invite or had the interview? (Got invite 2/28, interviewed 3/2)


LOL I just PMed Pozzo the same question. :lol:

Let's do actual interview date for consistency's sake.


any category for JS1 waiters?

idk but i think at some point if the pole can include the wave date JS1 came in then that could determine total waves.

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Instrumental » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:45 pm

Got the first ding vote. I know y'all are mad jealous.

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Pozzo » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:45 pm

Just ran through this thread and LSN to put together wave dates, will add these to the OP, let me know if I missed any:

JS1 Waves for c/o 2020
1st wave: 11/4/16
2nd wave: 11/10/16
3rd wave: 11/14/16
4th wave: 11/21/16
5th wave: 11/23/16
6th wave: 11/28/16
7th wave: 12/2/16
8th wave: 12/5/16 (?)
9th wave: 12/14/16
10th wave: 12/20/16
11th wave: 1/4/17
12th wave: 1/9/17
13th wave: 1/18/17
14th wave: 1/23/17
15th wave: 1/30/17
16th wave: 2/2/17
17th wave: 2/6/17 (?)
18th wave: 2/17/17
19th wave: 2/21/17
20th wave: 2/24/17
21st wave: 3/1/17
22nd wave: 3/13/17

JS2 Waves for c/o 2020
1st wave: 12/19/16
2nd wave: 1/25/17
3rd wave: 2/22/17

Ding Waves for c/o 2020
2/2/17 (?)
2/28/17
3/13/17

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Re: Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Smc1994 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:03 pm

Pozzo wrote:Just ran through this thread and LSN to put together wave dates, will add these to the OP, let me know if I missed any:

JS1 Waves for c/o 2020
1st wave: 11/4/16
2nd wave: 11/10/16
3rd wave: 11/14/16
4th wave: 11/21/16
5th wave: 11/23/16
6th wave: 11/28/16
7th wave: 12/2/16
8th wave: 12/5/16 (?)
9th wave: 12/14/16
10th wave: 12/20/16
11th wave: 1/4/17
12th wave: 1/9/17
13th wave: 1/18/17
14th wave: 1/23/17
15th wave: 1/30/17
16th wave: 2/2/17
17th wave: 2/6/17 (?)
18th wave: 2/17/17
19th wave: 2/21/17
20th wave: 2/24/17
21st wave: 3/1/17
22nd wave: 3/13/17

JS2 Waves for c/o 2020
1st wave: 12/19/16
2nd wave: 1/25/17
3rd wave: 2/22/17

Ding Waves for c/o 2020
2/2/17 (?)
2/28/17
3/13/17


Posterity will greatly appreciate this.



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