UC Berkeley School of Law C/O 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

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What does everyone want to do and where do they wanna do it?

Biglaw!! $$$
119
29%
Public Interest #Berkeley
84
20%
Government
42
10%
Other location (Not NE, midwest, south or Cali)
7
2%
California
71
17%
NYC
39
9%
DC
20
5%
Other North East
9
2%
Midwest
13
3%
South
12
3%
 
Total votes: 416

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Re: UC Berkeley School of Law C/O 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Mr_Chukes » Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:47 am

Rigo wrote:
nimbus cloud wrote:
Rigo wrote:I feel like going heavier on the merit aid at least in the short term is the only way forward.
The T14 is going to be fighting like crazy for LSAT scores this cycle if they want to hold, and Berekley has strong competition with T20 like UCLA too.
I'm hoping their change in policy was because they realized "woah we are going to have a 165 median if we don't change course."

Good point.
Also, interestingly, UCLA has higher median LSAT than Berkeley but ranks much lower and has (significantly) worse employment prospects. Go figure.

Idk if I'd say significantly, but yeah, I'd feel more comfortable at median at Berk (lulz how can employers even tell?) than UCLA. How much you're willing to pay for that added security is the real question.

I bet there is a lot of UCLA $$ vs. Berkeley for anxious west coasters come March/April.
I hope Berk gives me a chance to grapple with this decision many-a-xanax nights.

Yeah UCLA's Job prospects aren't that impressive when compared to USC, Berkeley or Stanford.

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Re: UC Berkeley School of Law C/O 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby quigleyest » Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:50 am

Crap idk if I should pay for a berkeley app.... there is no info on scholarships on mylsn for my numbers

173, 3.61.... any last second advice?

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Re: UC Berkeley School of Law C/O 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Rigo » Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:51 am

Mr_Chukes wrote:Yeah UCLA's Job prospects aren't the impressive when compared to USC, Berkeley or Stanford.

Uh what? I get you're biased but you're giving USC way too much credit here if you're saying its prospects are better than UCLA (especially since they're currently worse for Biglaw+fed clerk, which is a decent proxy for placement power).

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Postby Rigo » Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:52 am

quigleyest wrote:Crap idk if I should pay for a berkeley app.... there is no info on scholarships on mylsn for my numbers
173, 3.61.... any last second advice?

From all your posting you seem to really want to be in the Bay Area so I don't understand your holdup.

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Re: UC Berkeley School of Law C/O 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Mr_Chukes » Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:59 am

Rigo wrote:
Mr_Chukes wrote:Yeah UCLA's Job prospects aren't the impressive when compared to USC, Berkeley or Stanford.

Uh what? I get you're biased but you're giving USC way too much credit here if you're saying its prospects are better than UCLA (especially since they're currently worse for Biglaw+fed clerk, which is a decent proxy for placement power).

I'm just going off the job placement numbers on US News and their website lol. On US News it is reported as 58℅

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Re: UC Berkeley School of Law C/O 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Rigo » Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:14 am

Mr_Chukes wrote:
Rigo wrote:
Mr_Chukes wrote:Yeah UCLA's Job prospects aren't the impressive when compared to USC, Berkeley or Stanford.

Uh what? I get you're biased but you're giving USC way too much credit here if you're saying its prospects are better than UCLA (especially since they're currently worse for Biglaw+fed clerk, which is a decent proxy for placement power).

I'm just going off the job placement numbers on US News and their website lol. On US News it is reported as 58℅

Hm I don't know where they're getting that.
I'd recommend just going off the hard ABA data.
http://employmentsummary.abaquestionnaire.org
I'm calling firms with over 100 attorneys BigLaw.

USC is ~37.6% biglaw+fedclerk.
UCLA ~45.1%
Berkeley ~56.5%

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Re: UC Berkeley School of Law C/O 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby nimbus cloud » Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:19 am

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Re: UC Berkeley School of Law C/O 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Rigo » Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:21 am

You could make self-selection arguments about Berkley's placement being artificially depressed because of self-selection into PI/govt (you could make the same arguments about UCLA too to a degree since they both send a decent 20% chunk of their classes into PI/govt) but just some hard data above without too much nuance.

Bottom line is any law school decision will be a trade off between cost and placement power.

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Re: UC Berkeley School of Law C/O 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Rigo » Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:22 am

Georgetown was at 44% this past year fwiw, with that being deflated to a degree by fedgov gunners.

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Re: UC Berkeley School of Law C/O 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Rigo » Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:28 am

I do think Berkeley is more prestigious and has national reach whereas UCLA is more limited to the west coast/southwest.

California biglaw is tougher to crack than NYC so numbers are also depressed a bit by grads intent on staying in CA, I'm sure.

You have to consider your goals and debt tolerance when comparing B to UCLA/USC. Or any schools for that matter.

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Re: UC Berkeley School of Law C/O 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Mr_Chukes » Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:34 am

Rigo wrote:
Mr_Chukes wrote:
Rigo wrote:
Mr_Chukes wrote:Yeah UCLA's Job prospects aren't the impressive when compared to USC, Berkeley or Stanford.

Uh what? I get you're biased but you're giving USC way too much credit here if you're saying its prospects are better than UCLA (especially since they're currently worse for Biglaw+fed clerk, which is a decent proxy for placement power).

I'm just going off the job placement numbers on US News and their website lol. On US News it is reported as 58℅

Hm I don't know where they're getting that.
I'd recommend just going off the hard ABA data.
http://employmentsummary.abaquestionnaire.org
I'm calling firms with over 100 attorneys BigLaw.

USC is ~37.6% biglaw+fedclerk.
UCLA ~45.1%
Berkeley ~56.5%

I wasn't talking about big law. I was talking about general job placement. I got my info off US News Rankings, they have job placement there as well. Those are great numbers for UCLA big law though. If I get in imma look into it more lol. Thanks for the info bro :).

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Re: UC Berkeley School of Law C/O 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Rigo » Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:41 am

nimbus cloud wrote:I guess the difference between UCLA and Berkeley is not as significant as I thought. If I had to guess, I would have said 33% vs. 66%.

It fluctuates a bit every year.

For c/o 2015 it's
USC ~37.6% BL+FC
UCLA ~45.1%
Berkeley ~56.5%

For c/o 2014 it's
USC ~41%
UCLA 39.6%
Berkeley 62.4%

For c/o 2013 it's
USC 33.8%
UCLA 39.4%
Berkeley 55.8%

So UCLA had a pretty good year last year and Berkeley fell a bit. Who knows why exactly since employment data really just reflects hundreds of microdecisions made by graduates. It's probably better to look at the last three years rather than just a single year. It will be interesting to see c/o 2016 in May.

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Re: UC Berkeley School of Law C/O 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Rigo » Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:43 am

Mr_Chukes wrote:I wasn't talking about big law. I was talking about general job placement. I got my info off US News Rankings, they have job placement there as well. Those are great numbers for UCLA big law though. If I get in imma look into it more lol. Thanks for the info bro :).

No worries! I just kind of wanted to shut down the notion that UCLA is inferior to USC in employment outcomes. If I had to nitpick I'd give UCLA the edge, but they're really as peer and peers can be.

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Re: UC Berkeley School of Law C/O 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Rigo » Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:46 am

(I'd choose you Berk; let me in!)

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Re: UC Berkeley School of Law C/O 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Colonel_funkadunk » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:58 am

Rigo wrote:(I'd choose you Berk; let me in!)


i bet you say that to all the boys

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Postby Rigo » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:05 am

Colonel_funkadunk wrote:
Rigo wrote:(I'd choose you Berk; let me in!)

i bet you say that to all the boys

Is that a scholarship in your pocket or are you happy to see me?

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Re: UC Berkeley School of Law C/O 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Colonel_funkadunk » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:08 am

Rigo wrote:
Colonel_funkadunk wrote:
Rigo wrote:(I'd choose you Berk; let me in!)

i bet you say that to all the boys

Is that a scholarship in your pocket or are you happy to see me?

theres a lot of q'able things id do for 1/2 tuition at berk

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Re: UC Berkeley School of Law C/O 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby jessmeesh » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:12 am

Has anyone here who applied for BLOS heard anything yet?

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Re: UC Berkeley School of Law C/O 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Assasindowntheavenue » Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:23 pm

2/1 is "around 2/3". Hoping for a FR wave today, however unlikely it may be! 8)

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Re: UC Berkeley School of Law C/O 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Mr_Chukes » Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:51 pm

Any wave updates today?

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Re: UC Berkeley School of Law C/O 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Mr_Chukes » Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:51 pm

Colonel_funkadunk wrote:
Rigo wrote:
Colonel_funkadunk wrote:
Rigo wrote:(I'd choose you Berk; let me in!)

i bet you say that to all the boys

Is that a scholarship in your pocket or are you happy to see me?

theres a lot of q'able things id do for 1/2 tuition at berk

Yall two crack me up lol.

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Re: UC Berkeley School of Law C/O 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby chandhi » Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:51 pm

Another day slowly passes without me going UR.

I was hoping to get a Valentine's Day treat from Berkeley, my one true love, but this is getting more and more unlikely.

I still love you.

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Postby VA2lawschool » Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:54 pm

Thoughts on when merit aid might start coming out?

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Re: UC Berkeley School of Law C/O 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby bearedman8 » Wed Feb 01, 2017 4:23 pm

Finally went UR today. Any idea on how quick the turnaround is from this point? >both 75ths.

Complete 1/09 btw.

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Re: UC Berkeley School of Law C/O 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Postby Rigo » Wed Feb 01, 2017 4:47 pm

bearedman8 wrote:Finally went UR today. Any idea on how quick the turnaround is from this point? >both 75ths.

Complete 1/09 btw.

Some people have been having p quick turnaround if they want you so you might hear next week even.



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