TLS c/o 2020 - In #Squad We Trust

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby us3rnam3 » Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:41 pm

tncats wrote:
charles117 wrote:what does everyone think of these barbiri law school prep courses that barbiri keeps emailing me about? is it worth it or just a waste of money?


Waste of money. Just an opportunistic way to profit from people's law school anxieties.


I assume its a waste of money because their marketing is so spammy.

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby thatlawlkid » Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:47 pm

In my experience, wealth offers a huge leg up in regards to success.
Personally, I was raised by a single mother who had never graduated high school. Most of her family were in a similar boat, giving me pretty much no one who could offer me even the slightest realistic suggestions about college/law school/ life in general. In addition to that, the cushion wealth can offer as an undergraduate, as many of my peers had no other worries but swiping a credit card that they didnt pay the bill for while I was working 2 different jobs during the semester to pay rent. I honestly can't imagine what I could've done with the free time that not working 30+ hours a week could offer me. While I'm not making an excuse, as my GPA is what it is, I would be in a much better position if i was capable of focusing more on my studies instead of making sure I had a place to sleep.

I self studied to a low-17x, taking the LSAT 4 times (and trust me I felt the pain of paying for it each time my scores weren't high enough for my goals), and then got to send out applications, something that especially as a splitter rang up a good price tag. Once responses come back, while someone from a wealthy family could throw around multiple seat deposits and not worry about footing the bill, while I'm planning and negotiating with schools just to make sure I can comfortably submit a single deposit.

I'm not saying it can't be done, but damn coming from money must at least take some of the weight off. Regardless, I'm thankful that I found TLS early like I did instead of going to Widener like every idiot boomer in my area suggests.

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby Mr_Chukes » Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:09 pm

thatlawlkid wrote:In my experience, wealth offers a huge leg up in regards to success.
Personally, I was raised by a single mother who had never graduated high school. Most of her family were in a similar boat, giving me pretty much no one who could offer me even the slightest realistic suggestions about college/law school/ life in general. In addition to that, the cushion wealth can offer as an undergraduate, as many of my peers had no other worries but swiping a credit card that they didnt pay the bill for while I was working 2 different jobs during the semester to pay rent. I honestly can't imagine what I could've done with the free time that not working 30+ hours a week could offer me. While I'm not making an excuse, as my GPA is what it is, I would be in a much better position if i was capable of focusing more on my studies instead of making sure I had a place to sleep.

I self studied to a low-17x, taking the LSAT 4 times (and trust me I felt the pain of paying for it each time my scores weren't high enough for my goals), and then got to send out applications, something that especially as a splitter rang up a good price tag. Once responses come back, while someone from a wealthy family could throw around multiple seat deposits and not worry about footing the bill, while I'm planning and negotiating with schools just to make sure I can comfortably submit a single deposit.

I'm not saying it can't be done, but damn coming from money must at least take some of the weight off. Regardless, I'm thankful that I found TLS early like I did instead of going to Widener like every idiot boomer in my area suggests.

I feel this so much.

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby JC2017 » Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:33 pm

Very interesting podcast from Malcolm Gladwell to help give some perspective on the topic of meritocracy, class, and education in America:

http://revisionisthistory.com/episodes/ ... t-remember

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby potterotter » Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:49 pm

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby Assasindowntheavenue » Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:50 pm

potterotter wrote:
Mr_Chukes wrote:
thatlawlkid wrote:In my experience, wealth offers a huge leg up in regards to success.
Personally, I was raised by a single mother who had never graduated high school. Most of her family were in a similar boat, giving me pretty much no one who could offer me even the slightest realistic suggestions about college/law school/ life in general. In addition to that, the cushion wealth can offer as an undergraduate, as many of my peers had no other worries but swiping a credit card that they didnt pay the bill for while I was working 2 different jobs during the semester to pay rent. I honestly can't imagine what I could've done with the free time that not working 30+ hours a week could offer me. While I'm not making an excuse, as my GPA is what it is, I would be in a much better position if i was capable of focusing more on my studies instead of making sure I had a place to sleep.

I self studied to a low-17x, taking the LSAT 4 times (and trust me I felt the pain of paying for it each time my scores weren't high enough for my goals), and then got to send out applications, something that especially as a splitter rang up a good price tag. Once responses come back, while someone from a wealthy family could throw around multiple seat deposits and not worry about footing the bill, while I'm planning and negotiating with schools just to make sure I can comfortably submit a single deposit.

I'm not saying it can't be done, but damn coming from money must at least take some of the weight off. Regardless, I'm thankful that I found TLS early like I did instead of going to Widener like every idiot boomer in my area suggests.

I feel this so much.


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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby govlife » Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:15 pm

Assasindowntheavenue wrote:
potterotter wrote:
Mr_Chukes wrote:
thatlawlkid wrote:In my experience, wealth offers a huge leg up in regards to success.
Personally, I was raised by a single mother who had never graduated high school. Most of her family were in a similar boat, giving me pretty much no one who could offer me even the slightest realistic suggestions about college/law school/ life in general. In addition to that, the cushion wealth can offer as an undergraduate, as many of my peers had no other worries but swiping a credit card that they didnt pay the bill for while I was working 2 different jobs during the semester to pay rent. I honestly can't imagine what I could've done with the free time that not working 30+ hours a week could offer me. While I'm not making an excuse, as my GPA is what it is, I would be in a much better position if i was capable of focusing more on my studies instead of making sure I had a place to sleep.

I self studied to a low-17x, taking the LSAT 4 times (and trust me I felt the pain of paying for it each time my scores weren't high enough for my goals), and then got to send out applications, something that especially as a splitter rang up a good price tag. Once responses come back, while someone from a wealthy family could throw around multiple seat deposits and not worry about footing the bill, while I'm planning and negotiating with schools just to make sure I can comfortably submit a single deposit.

I'm not saying it can't be done, but damn coming from money must at least take some of the weight off. Regardless, I'm thankful that I found TLS early like I did instead of going to Widener like every idiot boomer in my area suggests.

I feel this so much.


+180

1000x this. Thank you for saying what I wasn't brave enough to.

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby thatlawlkid » Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:23 pm

govlife wrote:
Assasindowntheavenue wrote:
potterotter wrote:
Mr_Chukes wrote:
thatlawlkid wrote:In my experience, wealth offers a huge leg up in regards to success.
Personally, I was raised by a single mother who had never graduated high school. Most of her family were in a similar boat, giving me pretty much no one who could offer me even the slightest realistic suggestions about college/law school/ life in general. In addition to that, the cushion wealth can offer as an undergraduate, as many of my peers had no other worries but swiping a credit card that they didnt pay the bill for while I was working 2 different jobs during the semester to pay rent. I honestly can't imagine what I could've done with the free time that not working 30+ hours a week could offer me. While I'm not making an excuse, as my GPA is what it is, I would be in a much better position if i was capable of focusing more on my studies instead of making sure I had a place to sleep.

I self studied to a low-17x, taking the LSAT 4 times (and trust me I felt the pain of paying for it each time my scores weren't high enough for my goals), and then got to send out applications, something that especially as a splitter rang up a good price tag. Once responses come back, while someone from a wealthy family could throw around multiple seat deposits and not worry about footing the bill, while I'm planning and negotiating with schools just to make sure I can comfortably submit a single deposit.

I'm not saying it can't be done, but damn coming from money must at least take some of the weight off. Regardless, I'm thankful that I found TLS early like I did instead of going to Widener like every idiot boomer in my area suggests.

I feel this so much.


+180

1000x this. Thank you for saying what I wasn't brave enough to.

To be honest i wasn't expecting this many people to agree, hot damn.
Glad to know I'm not alone here, anyone that ever wants to talk or complain, feel free to PM me. This site has offered me so much, and has set me up to live a life that i never would've dreamed of 10 years ago.

It's so hard to explain exactly what we've overcome, or the odds that werre against us to family and friends, which is why i spend so much time here. Try to explain to my mother that I was offered a scholarship to a T10 law school while all she can complain about is the fact that I'll be moving far away, while my older siblings havent even left our county yet has been so frustrating.

Most of my friends are electricians, diesel mechanics, or just working random desk jobs with no real goals or long term plans. It's overwhelming to say the least, and a lot of the time I dont even know how to process any of it. I'm mature enough to say that at the age of 24 I'm scared. But I also cant wait.

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby Hennessy » Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:31 pm

Like most standardized tests, the LSAT is in no way an class-equalizing factor in admissions.

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby RParadela » Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:37 pm

To offer the other perspective of someone who grew up with money, coming from the family I do is a pretty big advantage over people who come from working class families. My parents paid for whatever LSAT prep I needed, I didn't have to worry about application fees, I have 0 debt from graduation atr UG, and I never had to work because of money issues. But most importantly, even though I have a small scholarship at a T13, I'll graduate law school completely debt free because of my parents. Those are huge advantages that I'm really lucky to have and anyone coming from a similar position as me would be incredibly stupid not to realize.

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby Mr_Chukes » Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:43 pm

thatlawlkid wrote:
govlife wrote:
Assasindowntheavenue wrote:
potterotter wrote:
Mr_Chukes wrote:
thatlawlkid wrote:In my experience, wealth offers a huge leg up in regards to success.
Personally, I was raised by a single mother who had never graduated high school. Most of her family were in a similar boat, giving me pretty much no one who could offer me even the slightest realistic suggestions about college/law school/ life in general. In addition to that, the cushion wealth can offer as an undergraduate, as many of my peers had no other worries but swiping a credit card that they didnt pay the bill for while I was working 2 different jobs during the semester to pay rent. I honestly can't imagine what I could've done with the free time that not working 30+ hours a week could offer me. While I'm not making an excuse, as my GPA is what it is, I would be in a much better position if i was capable of focusing more on my studies instead of making sure I had a place to sleep.

I self studied to a low-17x, taking the LSAT 4 times (and trust me I felt the pain of paying for it each time my scores weren't high enough for my goals), and then got to send out applications, something that especially as a splitter rang up a good price tag. Once responses come back, while someone from a wealthy family could throw around multiple seat deposits and not worry about footing the bill, while I'm planning and negotiating with schools just to make sure I can comfortably submit a single deposit.

I'm not saying it can't be done, but damn coming from money must at least take some of the weight off. Regardless, I'm thankful that I found TLS early like I did instead of going to Widener like every idiot boomer in my area suggests.

I feel this so much.


+180

1000x this. Thank you for saying what I wasn't brave enough to.

To be honest i wasn't expecting this many people to agree, hot damn.
Glad to know I'm not alone here, anyone that ever wants to talk or complain, feel free to PM me. This site has offered me so much, and has set me up to live a life that i never would've dreamed of 10 years ago.

It's so hard to explain exactly what we've overcome, or the odds that werre against us to family and friends, which is why i spend so much time here. Try to explain to my mother that I was offered a scholarship to a T10 law school while all she can complain about is the fact that I'll be moving far away, while my older siblings havent even left our county yet has been so frustrating.

Most of my friends are electricians, diesel mechanics, or just working random desk jobs with no real goals or long term plans. It's overwhelming to say the least, and a lot of the time I dont even know how to process any of it. I'm mature enough to say that at the age of 24 I'm scared. But I also cant wait.

BRO! low-key your thoughts echo my thoughts. I'm 24 as well and have the same experience with friends. I'm trying to tell my friends they can do it. They can reach for their dreams. That they can be something bigger and they potential.

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby Hennessy » Tue Apr 04, 2017 6:16 pm

RParadela wrote:To offer the other perspective of someone who grew up with money, coming from the family I do is a pretty big advantage over people who come from working class families. My parents paid for whatever LSAT prep I needed, I didn't have to worry about application fees, I have 0 debt from graduation atr UG, and I never had to work because of money issues. But most importantly, even though I have a small scholarship at a T13, I'll graduate law school completely debt free because of my parents. Those are huge advantages that I'm really lucky to have and anyone coming from a similar position as me would be incredibly stupid not to realize.


middle-class checking in with third perspective

i paid my way through college and for LSAT prep
i have a modest amount of debt from UG (<$30k)

but i always knew that i could rely on my parents for:
a place to live temporarily
monetary advice
to pay a bill here or there if I was strapped
to instill in me at a young age the importance of logic and critical thinking, etc.

I think that last one is such a valuable experience that many more impoverished folks do not get the benefit of, because of lack of generational academic experience. Being raised in an environment that values not only schooling but academia is a huge leg-up on the LSAT.

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby Keilz » Tue Apr 04, 2017 6:21 pm

HennessyVSOP wrote:
RParadela wrote:To offer the other perspective of someone who grew up with money, coming from the family I do is a pretty big advantage over people who come from working class families. My parents paid for whatever LSAT prep I needed, I didn't have to worry about application fees, I have 0 debt from graduation atr UG, and I never had to work because of money issues. But most importantly, even though I have a small scholarship at a T13, I'll graduate law school completely debt free because of my parents. Those are huge advantages that I'm really lucky to have and anyone coming from a similar position as me would be incredibly stupid not to realize.


middle-class checking in with third perspective

i paid my way through college and for LSAT prep
i have a modest amount of debt from UG (<$30k)

but i always knew that i could rely on my parents for:
a place to live temporarily
monetary advice
to pay a bill here or there if I was strapped
to instill in me at a young age the importance of logic and critical thinking, etc.

I think that last one is such a valuable experience that many more impoverished folks do not get the benefit of, because of lack of generational academic experience. Being raised in an environment that values not only schooling but academia is a huge leg-up on the LSAT.


I agree with this response, and am somewhat in the same boat.

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby dasq5511 » Tue Apr 04, 2017 6:28 pm

Is double depositing generally good practice if you haven't had time to fully negotiate all your offers?

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Postby Monday » Tue Apr 04, 2017 6:48 pm

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby Rigo » Tue Apr 04, 2017 6:56 pm

Monday wrote:
dasq5511 wrote:Is double depositing generally good practice if you haven't had time to fully negotiate all your offers?

No, double depositing is never a good practice, regardless of the conditions.

I disagree.

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby TexasENG » Tue Apr 04, 2017 6:59 pm

Monday wrote:
dasq5511 wrote:Is double depositing generally good practice if you haven't had time to fully negotiate all your offers?

No, double depositing is never a good practice, regardless of the conditions.


I think you should only double deposit if you absolutely have to. Also make sure if you are double depositing that it is within the agreements of whatever schools you are depositing schools. For some schools they will explicitly say that by depositing you are saying you are matriculating / withdrawing from other schools. I have no idea how binding these agreements are but I wouldn't want to push it...

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby Rigo » Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:01 pm

I'm not saying it's a GOOD practice, but it's not never a good practice.
Friends have double deposited and negotiated successfully because of it.

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby guynourmin » Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:04 pm

Idk if my parents could ask me if I'm going to continue working while in school any more than they currently do. Not sure how many times I can say 100% no, I won't be allowed to and wouldn't if I could. I am not giving them anything less than an absolute no every time, but it keeps coming up. Anyone else?

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby TexasENG » Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:07 pm

Rigo wrote:I'm not saying it's a GOOD practice, but it's not never a good practice.
Friends have double deposited and negotiated successfully because of it.


If you have the money (you will obviously lose your deposit at one of the schools) and think you have a decent position to negotiate and aren't violating either school(s) deposit rules go for it.

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby TexasENG » Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:09 pm

guybourdin wrote:Idk if my parents could ask me if I'm going to continue working while in school any more than they currently do. Not sure how many times I can say 100% no, I won't be allowed to and wouldn't if I could. I am not giving them anything less than an absolute no every time, but it keeps coming up. Anyone else?


I've been trying to figure out how I can keep working while I'm in school lol. Going away from a salary to debt / loans is terrifying

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby CPA-->JD » Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:10 pm

guybourdin wrote:Idk if my parents could ask me if I'm going to continue working while in school any more than they currently do. Not sure how many times I can say 100% no, I won't be allowed to and wouldn't if I could. I am not giving them anything less than an absolute no every time, but it keeps coming up. Anyone else?

Lol my grandmother asks me this every time I call her.

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby Keilz » Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:11 pm

guybourdin wrote:Idk if my parents could ask me if I'm going to continue working while in school any more than they currently do. Not sure how many times I can say 100% no, I won't be allowed to and wouldn't if I could. I am not giving them anything less than an absolute no every time, but it keeps coming up. Anyone else?


If I get into a NYC school my parents keep asking if I will commute. (Live about an hour away)

100000% no

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby thatblondegirl » Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:12 pm

dasq5511 wrote:Is double depositing generally good practice if you haven't had time to fully negotiate all your offers?

I'm being forced into a double deposit situation since the school never responded to my deposit extension request. I'm having to beg my parents for a small loan because I don't actually have to ability to casually eat a few hundred dollars, but I'm stuck. I need to buy myself more time while I wait to hear back about aid from other schools.

I'd say do what you have to do.

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby TexasENG » Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:13 pm

Keilz wrote:
guybourdin wrote:Idk if my parents could ask me if I'm going to continue working while in school any more than they currently do. Not sure how many times I can say 100% no, I won't be allowed to and wouldn't if I could. I am not giving them anything less than an absolute no every time, but it keeps coming up. Anyone else?


If I get into a NYC school my parents keep asking if I will commute. (Live about an hour away)

100000% no


Hour long commute would be brutal 1L (plus parents...)



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