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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants (taking poll suggestions)

Postby Kopetz » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:22 pm

Npret wrote:I'm just curious is that famous bimodal curve news to you?

The bimodal curve has been around for years. Most grads go to small firms, it's not just biglaw or PI. The data is based on reports that schools collect from grads.

LST explains the NALP data but it's pretty much exactly what it says. https://www.lstreports.com/guides/NALP-Data-Terms/

It's a very simple calculation.

Here's the link:
http://www.nalp.org/uploads/ERSS/employ ... lation.pdf


Not news. I brought it up in response to the SoFi income vs. debt article, which used average income vs. average debt. "Average starting income" for law jobs isn't very useful, given the bimodal distribution -- graduates are going to tend to fall widely on either side of those reported averages.

That methodology sheet is good, but I'm still left wondering why their full data table shows 36,530 graduates with a known employment status, but the salary graph for the year only has ~22,000 respondents.

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants (taking poll suggestions)

Postby Dodocogon » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:59 pm

So reading through previous year's admissions threads for data I've notiiced something that kinda peeves me -

'Just withdrew, $**k is back in the pot!'

I assume intentions are good, but don't schools calculate offers assuming that many many people like this person are going to withdraw? So if a school has like $4 mil in schollies/discounts budgeted to give out are they gonna probably offer around ($4mil/yield rate)? I realize that would be the high estimate. Maybe if a significant number of the high scholarships are dropped then money could 'free up', but I don't see it as a realistic occurrence. I don't wanna put a damper on those posts, but they do seem kinda pointless...

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants (taking poll suggestions)

Postby Npret » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:00 pm

Kopetz wrote:
Npret wrote:I'm just curious is that famous bimodal curve news to you?

The bimodal curve has been around for years. Most grads go to small firms, it's not just biglaw or PI. The data is based on reports that schools collect from grads.

LST explains the NALP data but it's pretty much exactly what it says. https://www.lstreports.com/guides/NALP-Data-Terms/

It's a very simple calculation.

Here's the link:
http://www.nalp.org/uploads/ERSS/employ ... lation.pdf


Not news. I brought it up in response to the SoFi income vs. debt article, which used average income vs. average debt. "Average starting income" for law jobs isn't very useful, given the bimodal distribution -- graduates are going to tend to fall widely on either side of those reported averages.

That methodology sheet is good, but I'm still left wondering why their full data table shows 36,530 graduates with a known employment status, but the salary graph for the year only has ~22,000 respondents.


It's great that students are getting this data and looking at it carefully. Schools misrepresented employment data for years and people had (still have)greatly overinflated views of what grads earn.

I think there may be a number of people who report status but don't report salary for whatever reason. I also don't know if they count unemployed as $0. If you are curious someone at LST would likely know more. I would email them or PM them here.

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants (taking poll suggestions)

Postby chandhi » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:03 pm

New MS9 data up, but I didn't see anything too surprising in it. Thoughts?

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants (taking poll suggestions)

Postby NotAGolfer » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:12 pm

chandhi wrote:New MS9 data up, but I didn't see anything too surprising in it. Thoughts?

Very happy I waited until this cycle to apply (I took the June '15 LSAT)

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Postby Mr_Chukes » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:15 pm

NotAGolfer wrote:
chandhi wrote:New MS9 data up, but I didn't see anything too surprising in it. Thoughts?

Very happy I waited until this cycle to apply (I took the June '15 LSAT)

I hope you get into all the ones you wish with Money my friend.

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants (taking poll suggestions)

Postby chandhi » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:17 pm

Mr_Chukes wrote:
NotAGolfer wrote:
chandhi wrote:New MS9 data up, but I didn't see anything too surprising in it. Thoughts?

Very happy I waited until this cycle to apply (I took the June '15 LSAT)

I hope you get into all the ones you wish with Money my friend.

Indeed, may we all be ble$$ed this cycle.

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants (taking poll suggestions)

Postby NotAGolfer » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:22 pm

chandhi wrote:
Mr_Chukes wrote:
NotAGolfer wrote:
chandhi wrote:New MS9 data up, but I didn't see anything too surprising in it. Thoughts?

Very happy I waited until this cycle to apply (I took the June '15 LSAT)

I hope you get into all the ones you wish with Money my friend.

Indeed, may we all be ble$$ed this cycle.

Same to you!

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Postby call-me-bubbles » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:31 pm

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants (taking poll suggestions)

Postby proteinshake » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:43 pm

NotAGolfer wrote:
chandhi wrote:
Mr_Chukes wrote:
NotAGolfer wrote:
chandhi wrote:New MS9 data up, but I didn't see anything too surprising in it. Thoughts?

Very happy I waited until this cycle to apply (I took the June '15 LSAT)

I hope you get into all the ones you wish with Money my friend.

Indeed, may we all be ble$$ed this cycle.

Same to you!

also very happy I decided not to enroll las cycle!

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants (taking poll suggestions)

Postby Kopetz » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:47 pm

Were there one or more tests this cycle with no 169 score? The jump in 170s with the drop in 169s is really odd.

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Postby alpha kenny body » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:41 pm

call-me-bubbles wrote:
fips tedora wrote:Do not attend BYU if you are not Mormon. You're gonna have a bad time.


Just the idea of law school without coffee is terrifying...

You're forgetting sex. They're not having any of that either.

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Postby proteinshake » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:14 pm

Kopetz wrote:Were there one or more tests this cycle with no 169 score? The jump in 170s with the drop in 169s is really odd.

I have tweet notifications from Dave Killoran on and I don't recall ever seeing that (but I could be wrong)

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Postby jjcorvino » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:49 pm

NotAGolfer wrote:
chandhi wrote:New MS9 data up, but I didn't see anything too surprising in it. Thoughts?

Very happy I waited until this cycle to apply (I took the June '15 LSAT)


I think this is still a good thing overall, I wish my number was still down, but the top band is down overall which will hopefully help.

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Postby PrezRand » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:52 pm

link to new MS9 data?

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Postby tuesdayninja » Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:03 am

PrezRand wrote:link to new MS9 data?


==error==/cycle-data-01-20-17/

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Postby chargers21 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:08 am

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Postby Sarastro » Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:12 am

chargers21 wrote:
tuesdayninja wrote:
PrezRand wrote:link to new MS9 data?


==error==/cycle-data-01-20-17/

less than 1000 applicants from the Midwest, wowzers I am a rarity

We are super special

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Postby chargers21 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:14 am

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Postby tuesdayninja » Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:24 am

chargers21 wrote:
Sarastro wrote:
chargers21 wrote:
tuesdayninja wrote:
PrezRand wrote:link to new MS9 data?


==error==/cycle-data-01-20-17/

less than 1000 applicants from the Midwest, wowzers I am a rarity

We are super special

Midwest FTW


Midwest, best-west

EDIT: Nvm I'm from the great lakes region, weird they separated them from Midwest

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Re: TLS c/o 2020 Applicants (taking poll suggestions)

Postby proteinshake » Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:32 am

so what's that the numerical difference between 170 scorers this time last year and now?

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Postby chargers21 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:34 am

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Postby StopLawying » Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:45 am

Wrong thread

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Postby Dodocogon » Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:13 am

tuesdayninja wrote:
chargers21 wrote:
Sarastro wrote:
chargers21 wrote:
tuesdayninja wrote:
PrezRand wrote:link to new MS9 data?


==error==/cycle-data-01-20-17/

less than 1000 applicants from the Midwest, wowzers I am a rarity

We are super special

Midwest FTW


Midwest, best-west

EDIT: Nvm I'm from the great lakes region, weird they separated them from Midwest


Being from Kansas, saying that Ohio is the Midwest is silly.

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Postby brinicolec » Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:37 am

chandhi wrote:New MS9 data up, but I didn't see anything too surprising in it. Thoughts?


I hope the decrease in AAs combined with my okay LSAT (in a dropping score) means my GPA won't kill me at top schools lol



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