Harvard Law School c/o 2018 Waitlist

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What Stage are you at?

No JS1
57
41%
Pre-Waitlist JS1
27
20%
Post-Waitlist JS1
14
10%
Pre-Waitlist JS1 and Rejection
0
No votes
Pre-Waitlist JS1 and JS1b
1
1%
Pre-Waitlist JS1 and JS2
17
12%
Rejection
3
2%
Post Waitlist JS1 Rejection
1
1%
Post Waitlist JS1 and JS2
18
13%
 
Total votes: 138

everton125
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Re: Harvard Law School c/o 2018 Waitlist

Postby everton125 » Mon May 04, 2015 11:55 am

qwertyTLS wrote:
everton125 wrote:I understand the CR re: additional LORs is that they likely won't be helpful. However, I can get a recommendation from a V5 partner and graduate of Harvard Law who I have worked fairly closely with over the past two years. Is that the sort of LOR that might be worth sending? I definitely don't want to bother him if his LOR would be seriously unlikely to help at all. Just looking for some input. Thanks.

Edit: Also, is there any real value in visiting if I have not already? I only live five hours away, so doing so would not be overly burdensome.

from the wl message:
The fact that your application was selected for the wait list means that you are clearly a strong applicant to Harvard Law School. If, however, you believe you have any relevant, new information, which is not part of your application to date, which would strengthen your application, you are welcome to send additions to your file. Additional letters of recommendation are rarely useful at this time, however, if you have been enrolled in an academic program, you may wish to provide a final transcript to LSAC.


Yes, I have read the bold portion before. However, there is a difference between "rarely" and "never," even if it is a small one.

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Re: Harvard Law School c/o 2018 Waitlist

Postby qwertyTLS » Mon May 04, 2015 12:05 pm

I definitely don't want to bother him if his LOR would be seriously unlikely to help at all.

might be dissenting opinions, but i would say 'rarely useful' means it's "seriously unlikely to help"

however if it was me, i would get the LOR. it's not going to help, but i don't think its going to hurt either. and i'd rather believe i did everything in my power to get in off the WL then get rejected and think, 'what if i sent the lor - would that have put me over the edge'. good luck.

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Re: Harvard Law School c/o 2018 Waitlist

Postby everton125 » Mon May 04, 2015 12:49 pm

qwertyTLS wrote:
I definitely don't want to bother him if his LOR would be seriously unlikely to help at all.

might be dissenting opinions, but i would say 'rarely useful' means it's "seriously unlikely to help"

however if it was me, i would get the LOR. it's not going to help, but i don't think its going to hurt either. and i'd rather believe i did everything in my power to get in off the WL then get rejected and think, 'what if i sent the lor - would that have put me over the edge'. good luck.


Fair enough. Thanks.

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Re: Harvard Law School c/o 2018 Waitlist

Postby qwertyTLS » Mon May 04, 2015 1:58 pm

thought this was interesting:

currently, there are 26 withdrawn acceptances on LSN.

14 are above both medians (54%)
7 are splitters (27%)
4 are reverse splitters (15%)
1 is below both medians (4%)

last cycle, there were 34 withdrawn acceptances on LSN.

16 were above both medians (47%)
10 were splitters (29%)
6 were reverse splitters (18%)
2 were below both medians (6%)

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Comma.Split
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Re: Harvard Law School c/o 2018 Waitlist

Postby Comma.Split » Mon May 04, 2015 2:29 pm

I did some analysis using the LSN data for last and this year. Enjoy!

2013-2014:
Accepted: 163
Median LSAT: 174
Median GPA: 3.88
25th LSAT: 172
25th GPA: 3.8
75th LSAT: 176
75th GPA: 3.95

2014-2015:
Accepted: 149
Median LSAT: 174
Median GPA: 3.88
25th LSAT: 172
25th GPA: 3.8
75th LSAT: 176
75th GPA: 3.97

Conclusion: Very similar numbers, just fewer people accepted/reported this year.

2013-2014:
Waitlisted: 99
Median LSAT: 172
Median GPA: 3.82
25th LSAT: 170
25th GPA: 3.72
75th LSAT: 175
75th GPA: 3.9

2014-2015:
Waitlisted: 121
Median LSAT: 171
Median GPA: 3.78
25th LSAT: 168
25th GPA: 3.64
75th LSAT: 172
75th GPA: 3.9

Conclusions: More people waitlisted this year. The quality of the waitlist is lower this year.

Any thoughts or ideas why this is?

Edit:

23% of this year's WLd applicants are at or above 173 LSAT (H's median), while last year that number was 42%.
Similarly, 33% of this year's WL'd applicants are at or above 3.87 GPA (H's median), when last years it was 41%.

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Mack.Hambleton
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Re: Harvard Law School c/o 2018 Waitlist

Postby Mack.Hambleton » Mon May 04, 2015 4:11 pm

so about those JS1s

mernburg
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Re: Harvard Law School c/o 2018 Waitlist

Postby mernburg » Mon May 04, 2015 4:40 pm

Last year JS1s were given out on the first tuesday of the month, right?

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Re: Harvard Law School c/o 2018 Waitlist

Postby The thinker » Mon May 04, 2015 4:46 pm

mernburg wrote:Last year JS1s were given out on the first tuesday of the month, right?


First WL JS1s reported May 6th.
First JS1bs reported May 13th
First JS2s reported May 15th (went to both those with JS1bs on the 13th and those with post-WL JS1s)

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Re: Harvard Law School c/o 2018 Waitlist

Postby qwertyTLS » Mon May 04, 2015 10:23 pm

The thinker wrote:
mernburg wrote:Last year JS1s were given out on the first tuesday of the month, right?


First WL JS1s reported May 6th.
First JS1bs reported May 13th
First JS2s reported May 15th (went to both those with JS1bs on the 13th and those with post-WL JS1s)

awesome. Do you or anyone also happen to have looked through the dates from two years past? Was the movement last year early or pretty typical?

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Mack.Hambleton
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Re: Harvard Law School c/o 2018 Waitlist

Postby Mack.Hambleton » Mon May 04, 2015 10:28 pm

I think about the same

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Re: Harvard Law School c/o 2018 Waitlist

Postby The thinker » Mon May 04, 2015 10:35 pm

qwertyTLS wrote:
The thinker wrote:
mernburg wrote:Last year JS1s were given out on the first tuesday of the month, right?


First WL JS1s reported May 6th.
First JS1bs reported May 13th
First JS2s reported May 15th (went to both those with JS1bs on the 13th and those with post-WL JS1s)

awesome. Do you or anyone also happen to have looked through the dates from two years past? Was the movement last year early or pretty typical?


class of 2016
First WL -> JS1 reported ~ 4/11
First WL->JS2 reported 5/22
First WL->Ding reported 5/28

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Mack.Hambleton
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Re: Harvard Law School c/o 2018 Waitlist

Postby Mack.Hambleton » Mon May 04, 2015 10:37 pm

4/11 wut

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Re: Harvard Law School c/o 2018 Waitlist

Postby The thinker » Mon May 04, 2015 10:41 pm

Mack.Hambleton wrote:4/11 wut


ya i was pretty shocked too

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=207522&start=275

about half way down

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Re: Harvard Law School c/o 2018 Waitlist

Postby qwertyTLS » Tue May 05, 2015 12:39 am

Comma.Split wrote:2013-2014:
Waitlisted: 99
Median LSAT: 172
Median GPA: 3.82
25th LSAT: 170
25th GPA: 3.72
75th LSAT: 175
75th GPA: 3.9

2014-2015:
Waitlisted: 121
Median LSAT: 171
Median GPA: 3.78
25th LSAT: 168
25th GPA: 3.64
75th LSAT: 172
75th GPA: 3.9

Conclusions: More people waitlisted this year. The quality of the waitlist is lower this year.

Any thoughts or ideas why this is?

awesome...

i wonder what would happen (pretty sure it's not worthwhile, but am curious) if we only looked at the top 99 waitlisted applicants on LSN (using some index of sorts to create one # to rank applicants). would the waitlist 'quality' be similar then?

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Re: Harvard Law School c/o 2018 Waitlist

Postby qwertyTLS » Tue May 05, 2015 12:51 am

ok so using Comma.Split's #'s, here's what the top 99 of the waitlist pool looks like.
i ranked applicants using the following index: (LSAT-20)+(GPA*20). i read it on one of those lsat blogs online and thought it seemed reasonable, however it's probably wrong. it's ok though because the following has no meaning whatsoever and i'm just wasting time.

Comma.Split wrote:2013-2014:
Waitlisted: 99
Median LSAT: 172
Median GPA: 3.82
25th LSAT: 170
25th GPA: 3.72
75th LSAT: 175
75th GPA: 3.9

2014-2015:
Waitlisted: 99 (total is 121, but bottom 22 applicants removed from the following analysis to compare 'quality')
Median LSAT: 171
Median GPA: 3.80
25th LSAT: 170
25th GPA: 3.69
75th LSAT: 173
75th GPA: 3.9


so even when looking at the top of the waitlist pool, there's still a dropoff in quality from this year to last. it could mean a lot of things. maybe they've dipped to lower numbers of those accepted, which is why the waitlist quality suffers, which doesn't bode well for us on the waitlist. or it could mean they're struggling to hit numbers and is good for people who have >50th% in one (or both) statistics. no idea

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Re: Harvard Law School c/o 2018 Waitlist

Postby qwertyTLS » Tue May 05, 2015 7:12 am

The thinker wrote:
The thinker wrote:
mernburg wrote:Last year JS1s were given out on the first tuesday of the month, right?

First WL JS1s reported May 6th.
First JS1bs reported May 13th
First JS2s reported May 15th (went to both those with JS1bs on the 13th and those with post-WL JS1s)

class of 2016
First WL -> JS1 reported ~ 4/11
First WL->JS2 reported 5/22
First WL->Ding reported 5/28

class of 2015
First WL -> JS1 reported 5/30

class of 2014
First WL ->JS1 reported 5/3

class of 2013
First WL ->JS1 reported 5/6

(in the 2015 thread someone conveniently consolidated the first interview dates of past cycles lol)

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Re: Harvard Law School c/o 2018 Waitlist

Postby mimiquestionmark » Tue May 05, 2015 10:01 am

Did everybody else get a "HLS Waitlist Process" email :D

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Re: Harvard Law School c/o 2018 Waitlist

Postby grwfews4546 » Tue May 05, 2015 10:07 am

mimiquestionmark wrote:Did everybody else get a "HLS Waitlist Process" email :D


Yeah, just got it.

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Re: Harvard Law School c/o 2018 Waitlist

Postby dreamandy » Tue May 05, 2015 10:09 am

Just received an email from HLS and my heart almost exploded .... turned out to be the waitlist update email haha
I do hope that this means there's gonna be movement soon!

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Re: Harvard Law School c/o 2018 Waitlist

Postby Four Winds » Tue May 05, 2015 10:10 am

grwfews4546 wrote:
mimiquestionmark wrote:Did everybody else get a "HLS Waitlist Process" email :D


Yeah, just got it.


It made me really excited for all of ten seconds before I realized it was just a general email and not any good news :|

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Re: Harvard Law School c/o 2018 Waitlist

Postby mimiquestionmark » Tue May 05, 2015 10:11 am

Four Winds wrote:
grwfews4546 wrote:
mimiquestionmark wrote:Did everybody else get a "HLS Waitlist Process" email :D


Yeah, just got it.


It made me really excited for all of ten seconds before I realized it was just a general email and not any good news :|


+1

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Re: Harvard Law School c/o 2018 Waitlist

Postby Cinderella24 » Tue May 05, 2015 10:16 am

mimiquestionmark wrote:
Four Winds wrote:
grwfews4546 wrote:
mimiquestionmark wrote:Did everybody else get a "HLS Waitlist Process" email :D


Yeah, just got it.


It made me really excited for all of ten seconds before I realized it was just a general email and not any good news :|


+1

Yeah, I freaked out. lol. Is anyone opting out?

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Re: Harvard Law School c/o 2018 Waitlist

Postby grwfews4546 » Tue May 05, 2015 10:19 am

mimiquestionmark wrote:
Four Winds wrote:
grwfews4546 wrote:
mimiquestionmark wrote:Did everybody else get a "HLS Waitlist Process" email :D


Yeah, just got it.


It made me really excited for all of ten seconds before I realized it was just a general email and not any good news :|


+1


+2

Should we briefly reply to confirm reception or is it going to annoy them?

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Four Winds
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Re: Harvard Law School c/o 2018 Waitlist

Postby Four Winds » Tue May 05, 2015 10:29 am

Baseless speculation but I'm going to guess that we don't see movement until at least tomorrow. They're gonna want to wait and see if people withdraw because of this email, right?

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Re: Harvard Law School c/o 2018 Waitlist

Postby 90convoy » Tue May 05, 2015 10:34 am

Yeah I bet that email's purpose is to trim off some of the people that aren't committing




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