Accept Offer, Defer and Retake?

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Re-apply since 3.94/164 sucks?

Poll ended at Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:05 pm

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Total votes: 31

Phattypattyfrost
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Accept Offer, Defer and Retake?

Postby Phattypattyfrost » Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:05 pm

Hello TLS world,

Reverse splitter here (164,3.94). I am sure that y'all are going to lay into me for not having delayed applying to law school until I had retaken the LSAT to get a decent score. However, I was starting a new job and I had a lot of pressure to go with the 164 LSAT score I got in September. I went ahead and applied but I am now realizing that I will not receive in sufficient scholarship money with my LSAT score. To give y'all some background, I graduating in 4 years with an LSAC GPA of 3.94 with a BBA in Accounting and an MS in Finance. I had an internship in Austin with a Big 4 accounting firm and I currently work for Big 4 accounting firm in Houston. I applied to:

1. ED- Columbia (Deferred-Pending)
2. UVA (Pending)
3. UChicago (Pending)
4. UCBerkeley (Pending)
5. Duke (Pending)
6. Northwestern (Admitted)
7. UT (Admitted)
8. UCLA (Admitted)
9. USC (Admitted)
10.Vanderbilt (Admitted)
11. WUSTL (Admitted)
12. Notre Dame (Admitted)
13. Baylor (Admitted- Full Ride)
14. UH (Admitted - 1/3 schollie)
15. UC Davis (Admitted)
16. George Washington (Admitted)
17. Emory (Pending)

My question to all you TSLers is: Is it possible to accept an offer, defer enrollment and try to get a better score to leverage for more scholarships or just re-apply? Or by deferring am I accepting the school's offer and I forfeit gaining any future scholarships? This is all pending me not receiving much scholarship money at a decent school (which I am anticipating). Thank you all for your help/advice.

BigZuck
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Re: Accept Offer, Defer and Retake?

Postby BigZuck » Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:14 pm

I think it depends on the school but usually by deferring you are bound to attending the next year. Not sure how binding is "bound" but I wouldn't defer without every intention of attending the next cycle.

I'd probably just stick with your current job to be honest, sounds pretty good. Why do you want to go to law school?

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LawsRUs
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Re: Accept Offer, Defer and Retake?

Postby LawsRUs » Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:35 pm

heyy--

If you want a "sufficient scholarship with [your] LSAT score," why don't you apply to T20-30 schools. I'm sure some will give you some $$$.

How about a CPA instead of JD?

+1 on why you want to go to LS.

It's good that you're rethinking about LS right now, some ppl who are in LS right now hv already made a mistake of attending without careful calculus and introspection unlike you.

Best of luck !!

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Dr. Nefario
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Re: Accept Offer, Defer and Retake?

Postby Dr. Nefario » Sat Jan 17, 2015 10:40 pm

With your GPA, retake would be my first instinct. I'm retaking a similar score now for scholarships. If you have the means to wait a year and reapply, by all means do it.

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Re: Accept Offer, Defer and Retake?

Postby Mixednuts » Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:08 am

If I remember correctly, a couple of T14 school ask whether you are deferring at another law school, which requires you to attend that school. I definitely remember seeing that question in at least 2-3 applications. You should check that. May be a problem.

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Re: Accept Offer, Defer and Retake?

Postby pylon » Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:28 am

Phattypattyfrost wrote:My question to all you TSLers is: Is it possible to accept an offer, defer enrollment and try to get a better score to leverage for more scholarships or just re-apply? Or by deferring am I accepting the school's offer and I forfeit gaining any future scholarships? This is all pending me not receiving much scholarship money at a decent school (which I am anticipating). Thank you all for your help/advice.

I don't know about every school, but in my experience the deferral contract stipulated you don't apply to (or attend) any other law school during the academic year.

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Re: Accept Offer, Defer and Retake?

Postby 03152016 » Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:36 am

Phattypattyfrost wrote:1. ED- Columbia (Deferred-Pending)
2. UVA (Pending)
3. UChicago (Pending)
4. UCBerkeley (Pending)
5. Duke (Pending)
6. Northwestern (Admitted)
7. UT (Admitted)
8. UCLA (Admitted)
9. USC (Admitted)
10.Vanderbilt (Admitted)
11. WUSTL (Admitted)
12. Notre Dame (Admitted)
13. Baylor (Admitted- Full Ride)
14. UH (Admitted - 1/3 schollie)
15. UC Davis (Admitted)
16. George Washington (Admitted)
17. Emory (Pending)

i voted retake

but what is up with your list dude, did you pull schools out of a hat?

what are your goals? where do you want to end up geographically?

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Re: Accept Offer, Defer and Retake?

Postby Phattypattyfrost » Mon Jan 19, 2015 2:39 pm

BigZuck wrote:I think it depends on the school but usually by deferring you are bound to attending the next year. Not sure how binding is "bound" but I wouldn't defer without every intention of attending the next cycle.

I'd probably just stick with your current job to be honest, sounds pretty good. Why do you want to go to law school?




I actually hate my job now. Its dense (which I am sure that you will counter that law can be dense) and its too much of working in the past. I would prefer to work actively and be on the front lines rather than recording transactions that happened months before. Also, the pay is shit (~50K) and the hours are long (80+hours/week). I chose my major so that if law school did not pan out/I couldn't get a job after law school that I would have a good fallback (now I would enter into banking over re-entering the Accounting world). So basically, my job is rough now and i don't want to stick it out doing something I hate for the rest of my life.

Law school has always intrigued me and I am willing to take a risk and see if I like it. I am not going into this completely blind as my mom was a lawyer and all of her friends were. I also feel that law still retains extreme value in the business world and, if all else fails, I would prefer to be more knowledgeable about the law because I feel that it will help me no matter what profession I end up in.

Thanks for the speculation on how 'binding' the contract is. I am trying to figure out the best way to do this so that I am not in an overwhelming amount of debt.

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Re: Accept Offer, Defer and Retake?

Postby Phattypattyfrost » Mon Jan 19, 2015 2:40 pm

Mixednuts wrote:If I remember correctly, a couple of T14 school ask whether you are deferring at another law school, which requires you to attend that school. I definitely remember seeing that question in at least 2-3 applications. You should check that. May be a problem.


Ah! I will definitely check on that. Thanks for the info!

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Re: Accept Offer, Defer and Retake?

Postby Phattypattyfrost » Mon Jan 19, 2015 2:50 pm

Brut wrote:
Phattypattyfrost wrote:1. ED- Columbia (Deferred-Pending)
2. UVA (Pending)
3. UChicago (Pending)
4. UCBerkeley (Pending)
5. Duke (Pending)
6. Northwestern (Admitted)
7. UT (Admitted)
8. UCLA (Admitted)
9. USC (Admitted)
10.Vanderbilt (Admitted)
11. WUSTL (Admitted)
12. Notre Dame (Admitted)
13. Baylor (Admitted- Full Ride)
14. UH (Admitted - 1/3 schollie)
15. UC Davis (Admitted)
16. George Washington (Admitted)
17. Emory (Pending)

i voted retake

but what is up with your list dude, did you pull schools out of a hat?

what are your goals? where do you want to end up geographically?


Great questions, I chose the schools mainly based on Fee Waivers. I was also hoping to leverage some of the schools merit aid against UT's matching policy (so not exactly 'pulling the schools out of a hat' but close). My end goal is to explore the legal field and see what it has to offer. I have always been interested in Corporate Law and Litigation but I will probably end up in Transactional Law. Mainly, I want to go to law school to see what fields are open (I am sure you are screaming that unemployment for lawyers is at an all time high of 15.5% (and thats inflated from lawyers who took jobs not requiring JDs) and that I am crazy for this). However, I have always felt that a law degree would be indispensable and could help me in whatever field I pursue (IB require an advanced degree like a JD, many CEO and CFO's have their JDs and a JD wouldn't be bad if I wanted to start up my own consulting business someday). Basically, I feel that a JD is still versatile and could provide me with the kind of education that I could continue to use in most future careers.

Geographically I want to end up back in Texas. I realize that most of my schools are regional. However, many schools (like Northwestern) are actually very well represented here and I feel that I could come back and find a decent job. I also feel that it could be important to get out of Texas and see another state. I went to a big university that has a strong network for my undergrad and graduate degree and I am not afraid that my law school will severely limit me finding a job (whether it be in the legal field or not) in the future. I also think that a school like Northwestern (with the Kellogg Business School) could only help my networking and connections. Thanks for the questions and taking the time to respond to my post!

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Re: Accept Offer, Defer and Retake?

Postby Clearly » Mon Jan 19, 2015 2:54 pm

Don't defer unless its non-binding, then retake for 170+ and go to a great school for cheap/free. If you waste your GPA on that LSAT it'd be a shame. Most schools deferrals are binding, and the ones that aren't binding are usually for withdrawing for a medical issue or something along those lines, don't use it as a tactic, just withdraw and retake.

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Re: Accept Offer, Defer and Retake?

Postby ballcaps » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:01 pm

Phattypattyfrost wrote:My end goal is to explore the legal field and see what it has to offer.

you can do this now, using the internet, without spending tons of money on a degree. this is to say you should have a good sense of the opportunities that exist in law, and know which in particular might interest you, before enrolling in law school.

Phattypattyfrost wrote:I have always felt that a law degree would be indispensable and could help me in whatever field I pursue

why do you feel that way? how do you think you would use a law degree?

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Re: Accept Offer, Defer and Retake?

Postby Big Red » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:02 pm

Pretty interesting that you would go ED to Columbia, but not even throw an app to NYU and Cornell?

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Re: Accept Offer, Defer and Retake?

Postby Phattypattyfrost » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:11 pm

Clearly wrote:Don't defer unless its non-binding, then retake for 170+ and go to a great school for cheap/free. If you waste your GPA on that LSAT it'd be a shame. Most schools deferrals are binding, and the ones that aren't binding are usually for withdrawing for a medical issue or something along those lines, don't use it as a tactic, just withdraw and retake.


Awesome, thanks for the info

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Re: Accept Offer, Defer and Retake?

Postby BizBro » Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:37 pm

Dude. No, just no.

Get your CPA license and Lateral out to an in house finance position and make ~80k if you're tired of big accounting. Then go to biz school afterwards.

If you must go to law school, wait a year, cop a 170+ LSAT score and apply only to t-14 schools. Go to the school that gives you the most money at that point. Preferably, a full ride.

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Re: Accept Offer, Defer and Retake?

Postby dabigchina » Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:28 am

BizBro wrote:Dude. No, just no.

Get your CPA license and Lateral out to an in house finance position and make ~80k if you're tired of big accounting. Then go to biz school afterwards.

If you must go to law school, wait a year, cop a 170+ LSAT score and apply only to t-14 schools. Go to the school that gives you the most money at that point. Preferably, a full ride.


People with accounting backgrounds don't do well in business school admissions.

Ask me how I know.

Eta op should retake for big money

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Re: Accept Offer, Defer and Retake?

Postby Dog » Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:09 am

A 168 will get you decent, possibly big t14 money. If you can get a 170+ you'll be looking at full rides and close to full rides. Save yourself the 3,500 loan payments for a decade, just wait a year.

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Re: Accept Offer, Defer and Retake?

Postby PeanutsNJam » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:08 pm

You're in the position to retake for HYS, why not?




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