Yawkey wrote:The discrepency in rankings relative to the two schools is only getting larger, and if Brooklyn takes another hit the schools will arguably be in different leagues. I feel like Cardozo is going to start telling potential students who use Brooklyn as leverage for an increase in scholly $$ to piss off. I'm almost considering using my Cardozo offer, which is only slightly less than BK's, as leverage to further increase my money at Brooklyn, and then possibly hitting up Cardozo. Genius or stupid?
Possibly, though for now at least the employers I've spoken with seem to see BLS and Cardozo as fairly interchangeable.
That's what my friend did, basically, but in reverse. But I'd probably do it this way - Use BLS to get Cardozo to increase, then use Cardozo to get BLS to increase, then go back to Cardozo, then back to BLS, and so on, until both offers are virtually identical. I think you'll probably have more leverage with Cardozo first because you've got a 'better' offer in hand, albeit from a lower ranked school.
The other thing to do is just ride the process until seat deposits come due. It sucks for people on the waitlist, but BLS has a history of upping offers without prompting as the first deadline approaches. Also, at least in my year (current 2L), a lot of people said that they tried negotiating early and had no luck only to see BLS throwing money around as seat deposit deadlines approached and passed.
CaveCanem wrote:Does a SJU full scholarship hold any weight to BLS? My Doza offer is slightly less than BLS so I'm a bit stuck with BLS. Waiting on Fordham as well. Would a fordham without $ hold any weight to BLS? Also have RU at just about full and seton hall at 15k FWIW.
And what's the consensus about Brooklyn? Are they going to take another hit in the rankings?
Use the BLS offer to get Dozo up, then turn around and use Dozo to get BLS up. Never think you're "stuck" with what you're offered. You may not have much success this early, but keep asking for more and don't deposit until the last possible moment.
Assuming SJU is St. Johns, I think it holds weight to BLS; I didn't apply to St. Johns so can't say anything about my personal experience with that, but IIRC I know one person who had been planning to attend St Johns, withdrew and in the e-mail said as much, then got a matched offer. I can't remember which class year, though. Similarly, use Seton Hall and RU (Rutgers?). Basically, you want to let them know that other schools want you and that while you'd love to attend, you do have more generous offers on the table and could they maybe sweeten the pot. With respect to Fordham with no $, there I think you'd emphasize placement numbers, ranking, etc.
I'm pretty sure there's a how-to-negotiate-your-scholarship thread somewhere out there. It's worth a read.
The big thing I want to emphasize, though, is that whatever you do, don't accept your first offer from BLS (or anywhere, really) without at least trying to negotiate.
Even if their first offer is full tuition, it's worth pushing for more-than-full (my year, I think the max offer was $53k, back when tuition was $49.5k/year. I don't know if any of the current 1Ls have more than full tuition and, frankly, don't know much about how the per-credit pricing has altered scholarships) and guaranteed housing for 3 years, if you want to live in campus housing,* or whatever you can think of, really.
Ask for what you want in a polite, appropriate manner. The worst thing that happens is they say no.
*BLS guarantees housing for 1L. After 1L and 2L you do a housing lottery, and preference goes first to rising 3Ls, then incoming 1Ls, then rising 2Ls, so a fair number of rising 2Ls ended up moving last year. That may change this year, because last year was also the year they sold a bunch of buildings so there were a lot more people living in campus housing when the lottery happened, but hey. Also, the top 5% of the class as of the end of the fall semester is lottery-exempt. That said, even people who "lost" the lottery ended up getting housing if they pushed for it, though they did have to move apartments.