reasonable_man wrote:So let me see if I can follow the logic here. If someone wants to go to law school that means that they have to go to law school, even if that decision requires a quarter of a million dollar investment and little to no hope that the investment will pay off? Lets assume that 10% of SJU grads earn spots at a biglaw firm (which is not reality - and does not happen), but lets pretend for a minute that there is some truth to this "statistic" and 10% of SJU grads earn a spot in biglaw.
First, what happens to the other 90% of the graduates?
Second, do you think that it is remotely likely that someone who is trying to scrape their way into SJU by attending some ridiculous prep course and/or being forced to "interview" is going to be anywhere near the top 10% of the class?
Third, will you at least concede that at least 40 to 50 % of students that attend SJU will be jobless at graduation and that the 40% employed in non-biglaw are mostly working in PI / ID mills for 40 to 55k per year (trying to service tremendous loans)?
What you don't get is that I have no horse in this race. I'm good brother. I earn a nice living in a really good firm. I'd love for that to be the reality for all law grads. But its not and I've seen up close how ugly it can be for those that do not get lucky. And believe me, while I worked like an animal to get where I am, I'm not vein enough to think that luck did not play a substantial role in my getting to where I am today. So the real question is: Why are you trying to defend SJU? What horse do you have in the race? Is this all to help you feel better about choosing another similarly low ranked school?
1) No one has to go to law school. People choose to go to law school. If someone wants to go to law school and chooses to take out a lot of loans to do so, then that is their decision. If they ask your opinion on the matter then by all means give it. However, no one asked your opinion. 2) You never know. The interview could be for a lot reasons, but I am sure there are people who did poorly on the LSAT and went on to do very well in law school (I know someone in particular who did this). 3) I will concede that half of the class is going to be unemployed upon graduation. However, I think the median salary for those employed in private practice is closer to 75k. SJU gives a lot of scholarship money, so I do not know how many of those employed are trying to "service tremendous loans". Lastly, I think you were making this school sound a lot worse than it really is, and you were being rude in the process. I came on to answer a question directed at me. Then I clarified what someone said, because it was unclear. I applied and got accepted to higher ranked schools. I only applied to SJU because my family is from Queens, and I knew I would get a full scholarship. I defended SJU because, as i said before, you are really making it sound a lot worse than it is. In addition, this is on the wrong thread. If the people asked you what you thought about employment prospects etc. from SJU, then you should give your opinion. This is the wrong place though. Obviously these people were not looking for you to give them advice on whether to go or not. That is what I meant by "shitting on their dreams of becoming a lawyer". You are not crushing them, you are just insulting them at this point. There is no need for this. There are tons of threads that discuss the risks involved with paying sticker at lower ranked schools. Keep in mind, A) you don't know these people, and B) you don't know their financial situations, LSAT scores, GPA's, scholarship offers, or any other relevant data (mostly because you're on the wrong freaking thread!!!).
Bro, there is no reason to go on here. I get it. There is risk involved with going SJU. I knew this long before your, off topic, posts.
-*this is in response to your earlier post: My knowledge of the way firms work is pretty irrelevant. The relevant fact is that he is employed, and does well for himself, despite being far from the top 10% at SJU (whether he becomes partner or not). I only brought this up, not to say that everyone gets employed, or that SJU is great, but to point out that graduating in the top 10% of your class probably means something, even from a place like SJU. I'm not saying it definitely means you will get employed. I'm simply saying it is impressive, and there will be law firms that think it is impressive too. Top 10% will really up your chances of getting a good job, and it will not be a worthless certificate that reads summa cum laude.