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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby lawschool22 » Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:22 pm

nothingtosee wrote:Re: yp v no yp. Ill leave these here:

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Your search ignores their medians. The below charts are all for GPAs above Penn's median GPA, all I did was change the LSAT:

Below median LSAT, above median GPA:
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Median LSAT, above median GPA:
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171 (75th) to 175, above median GPA:
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176 to 180, above median GPA:
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Your chances improve between these two charts when you increase your LSAT score past Penn's medians with the GPA held constant. There's a slight drop at 176 to 180, but it's very small and could be due to small sample size and variation.

Same series, but with the GPA below median and still held constant:

Below median LSAT, below median GPA:
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Median LSAT, below median GPA:
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171 (75th) to 175, below median GPA:
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176 to 180, below median GPA:
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Same thing here. There's a slight drop at 176 to 180, but again the sample size is pretty small. Perhaps there is a tiny amount of YP going on at the 176-180 range but I'm not convinced of it. The sample size is too small to make any real conclusions about that group. If there was YP going on, it would also seem to affect the 171+ people who are CCN and HS candidates.

Based on these charts, when you increase your LSAT, with the GPA held constant, your chances generally improve. This doesn't indicate YP. However, when you compare the first set of charts with the second set, you will see how much lower your chances are when you are below the GPA median. This is what I think is causing people to think it's YP, because it seems crazy that Penn would WL a 175, but my guess is the majority of those WL people had below-median GPAs.

I think Penn just doesn't care how far you are past their medians once you hit them. It also seems like they are weighting GPA higher than some other schools in the T6, which is why they would take a 170/3.88 and wait-list a 175/3.6. This is what makes this year seem even worse, because now that the median is a 169, there are many more median GPAs that are now median LSATs that Penn can choose from.

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby Balthy » Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:32 pm

^Great analysis ls22! I'm sad (below median GPA) but at least this helps us better understand what's going on.

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby lastsamurai » Sun Jan 26, 2014 2:12 pm

Welp, that solves that issue as far as I'm concerned. Thanks LS22

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby 05062014 » Sun Jan 26, 2014 2:18 pm

I think yp could be at play still, depending on how you define it. The fact that non t-6 have accepted a lsat median hit has made their prosects of shifting back to a splitter filled class pool much slimmer. I'm sure ls22 will have data to back this up if he is wled

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby albs18 » Sun Jan 26, 2014 2:29 pm

Thoughts on another wave of responses coming out tomorrow, 1/27?

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby Synch » Sun Jan 26, 2014 2:39 pm

albs18 wrote:Thoughts on another wave of responses coming out tomorrow, 1/27?


How would any of us possibly know that information?

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby vivala » Sun Jan 26, 2014 2:52 pm

This is probably a stupid question, but do you think they actually consider things like upward trend and the strength of the undergrad institution? Or is it purely hit the 3.8X or bust?

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby jk148706 » Sun Jan 26, 2014 2:54 pm

vivala wrote:This is probably a stupid question, but do you think they actually consider things like upward trend and the strength of the undergrad institution? Or is it purely hit the 3.8X or bust?


There are plenty of sub 3.8 gpas that have been accepted

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby albs18 » Sun Jan 26, 2014 3:08 pm

Synch wrote:
albs18 wrote:Thoughts on another wave of responses coming out tomorrow, 1/27?


How would any of us possibly know that information?


How would any of us really know anything about the admissions process at Penn (and elsewhere)? Much of whats on here (and other threads) is at best guessing based on available data. If your standard/expectations for reading/contributing to this thread is contingent on full knowledge of the process, this probably isn't the best place for you.

Oh and to be clearer: I was simply asking if anyone, based on knowledge of past cycles (which many here have already demonstrated), would have any thoughts about new waves of responses.

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby lastsamurai » Sun Jan 26, 2014 3:09 pm

albs18 wrote:
Synch wrote:
albs18 wrote:Thoughts on another wave of responses coming out tomorrow, 1/27?


How would any of us possibly know that information?


How would any of us really know anything about the admissions process at Penn (and elsewhere)? Much of whats on here (and other threads) is at best guessing based on available data. If your standard/expectations for reading/contributing to this thread is contingent on full knowledge of the process, this probably isn't the best place for you.

Oh and to be clearer: I was simply asking if anyone, based on knowledge of past cycles (which many here have already demonstrated), would have any thoughts about new waves of responses.


Good response lol...I think last year that there were a couple of dings the monday following the acceptance wave on 1/25. The next day of admits looks to be on the Wednesday, so potentially 1/29.

Good luck!

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby albs18 » Sun Jan 26, 2014 3:19 pm

lastsamurai wrote:
albs18 wrote:
Synch wrote:
albs18 wrote:Thoughts on another wave of responses coming out tomorrow, 1/27?


How would any of us possibly know that information?


How would any of us really know anything about the admissions process at Penn (and elsewhere)? Much of whats on here (and other threads) is at best guessing based on available data. If your standard/expectations for reading/contributing to this thread is contingent on full knowledge of the process, this probably isn't the best place for you.

Oh and to be clearer: I was simply asking if anyone, based on knowledge of past cycles (which many here have already demonstrated), would have any thoughts about new waves of responses.


Good response lol...I think last year that there were a couple of dings the monday following the acceptance wave on 1/25. The next day of admits looks to be on the Wednesday, so potentially 1/29.

Good luck!


Thanks! :D Sending good vibes your way too!

(and sorry to Synch if that came across too [edit] harsh)

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby 04102014 » Sun Jan 26, 2014 3:39 pm

The penn thread used to be so fun. Now so much angst.

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby Kimikho » Sun Jan 26, 2014 3:44 pm

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Waitlists/Denies.

If someone wants to give me step-by-step instructions written for an 8 year old on how to get both of these on the same chart without using paint please do :)

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby goldenboy514 » Sun Jan 26, 2014 3:58 pm

ohpobrecito wrote:The penn thread used to be so fun. Now so much angst.


Since you have been accepted, please feel free to spread positive vibes :mrgreen:

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby wealtheow » Sun Jan 26, 2014 6:58 pm

Fffffffffffffhgggggggg. That's all I've got. Thanks, Penn.

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby Nonconsecutive » Sun Jan 26, 2014 7:33 pm

wealtheow wrote:Fffffffffffffhgggggggg. That's all I've got. Thanks, Penn.


:lol:

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby Synch » Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:14 pm

Thanks! :D Sending good vibes your way too!

(and sorry to Synch if that came across too [edit] harsh)[/quote]

S'all good man. I know what the anxiety is like - I just think we all read into this stuff way too much. Yes, in some cases, what happened in previous years is relevant (especially for the first wave of acceptances/decisions that the handy graphs on LST show). But hell, I doubt even AdCom's know the exact dates from last year that they released their acceptance waves.

Right, Penn AdCom's? I know you guys check this thread as obsessively as we do...

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby nothingtosee » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:41 am

Still 12/24 :( :arrow: :?

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby jk148706 » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:42 am

nothingtosee wrote:Still 12/24 :( :arrow: :?


Still early

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby Carter1901 » Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:59 am

12/3 -> 1/27. Fully anticipating that WL.

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby lawschool22 » Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:02 am

Carter1901 wrote:12/3 -> 1/27. Fully anticipating that WL.


Who knows what any of these dates mean. At least we know they're working today!

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby jk148706 » Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:02 am

ohpobrecito wrote:The penn thread used to be so fun. Now so much angst.


Easy to say when you're already in :P




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