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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby MT Cicero » Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:56 am

capt_slow wrote:
cotiger wrote:Where is everyone getting this YP stuff from? Last year they accepted 29/31=94% of everyone who was above both 75ths. Also, each increase in quartile increased likelihood of acceptance.* I can't even see it for the super high people (i.e. 175+/3.9+), as they got 9/10=90%.

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*The one exception was for below median LSAT going from 50-75 -> 75+ GPA. But that looks to be mostly a product of very small sample size, and I don't think LSATs of 168 and below are anyone's definition of YP anyway.


Where did you find this chart?


The only thing about the chart that doesn't strike me as convincing is the GIANT LSAT swath from 171-180. Isn't the thought of YP that these candidates would look good for HYS? If that's the case, I think this may be more telling:

GPA 3.8 and above with LSAT 170-173 (sample size 587):
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Same GPA with LSAT >173 (sample size 288):
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It seems pretty clear that if you're looking good for Harvard or close to $100,000 from CCN, then Penn seems more likely to throw you on a waitlist. If your chances at HYS diminish and you're only getting around $50,000 from CCN, Penn seems more likely to say "come on out to Philadelphia, friend!"

ETA: I see this is my 199th post, and given that I have 9 applications pending and it's past mid-January, I will be saving number 200 for a decision post!
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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby capt_slow » Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:56 am

Thanks guys

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby Arrow4Christ » Sat Jan 18, 2014 12:59 pm

Checking in. Still processing. >75 LSAT and GPA. Good luck to everyone!
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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby Force J.D.'s » Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:06 pm

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby cotiger » Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:14 pm

Soco Law wrote:The only thing about the chart that doesn't strike me as convincing is the GIANT LSAT swath from 171-180. Isn't the thought of YP that these candidates would look good for HYS? If that's the case, I think this may be more telling:

GPA 3.8 and above with LSAT 170-173 (sample size 587):

Same GPA with LSAT >173 (sample size 288):

It seems pretty clear that if you're looking good for Harvard or close to $100,000 from CCN, then Penn seems more likely to throw you on a waitlist. If your chances at HYS diminish and you're only getting around $50,000 from CCN, Penn seems more likely to say "come on out to Philadelphia, friend!"

ETA: I see this is my 199th post, and given that I have 9 applications pending and it's past mid-January, I will be saving number 200 for a decision post!


That is some evidence for YP, but I think that the better explanation is that once you're above 75th LSAT, Penn just DGAF about LSAT. At that point, they're really more interested in a high GPA than marginal increases in LSAT score. If you look at the individual people waitlisted in the highest LSAT range, they're almost exclusively people with low (3.8X) GPA. Check out the difference between 173+/3.8+:
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And people with higher GPAs 173+/3.9+:
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It's tough for me to accept YP when they're accepting everyone with the highest numbers. Again, compare to UVA.

Also, I checked out the people who got waitlisted with 173+/3.8+. If the reason for the WL was that Penn really did want them but just thought that they couldn't get them, then they should have had good cycles outside of the Penn waitlist. There are a couple of exceptions, but on the whole most of the people underperformed their numbers with lots of HLS waitlisting, waitlists even from places like Columbia, and less scholly money than would be expected.

I think it's clear that at the borderline Penn values someone who shows a strong desire to attend more than most schools do, and that does help their yield. If you're a 173/3.8, it's going to be beneficial to write a Why Penn because they aren't impressed with your 173 vs applicants with a 171. But at the end of the day, the reason for a WL is not going to be because your numbers are too good.

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby chneyo » Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:33 pm

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby goldenboy514 » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:14 pm

Force J.D.'s wrote:So I'm realizing I may have blown my shot at Penn. I RD'd (when I could have ED'd).

I'm realizing the blown opp because while the majority of app status (in this forum) are at least UR#, mine remains at "received and processing" :oops:

Am I thinking about it right?
Are any RDs out there with #s that havent had their app looked at but applied in the fall?


Is your app not complete?

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby ftbchamp231 » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:18 pm

I hate realizing how much better my chances are at Penn with a 3.8x than a 3.7x. My high school college courses brought me from a 3.85 to a 3.73 in the eyes of LSDAS even though they aren't counting towards my degree.

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby emmybee » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:23 pm

ftbchamp231 wrote:I hate realizing how much better my chances are at Penn with a 3.8x than a 3.7x. My high school college courses brought me from a 3.85 to a 3.73 in the eyes of LSDAS even though they aren't counting towards my degree.


+1 this is pretty much my exact GPA situation too :(
Not that my chances at Penn are strong even with the higher GPA...
Good luck to you!

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby Slytherpuff » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:24 pm

ftbchamp231 wrote:I hate realizing how much better my chances are at Penn with a 3.8x than a 3.7x. My high school college courses brought me from a 3.85 to a 3.73 in the eyes of LSDAS even though they aren't counting towards my degree.


If it helps, I'd happy trade my 3.8+ GPA for a higher LSAT... That would help my chances at Penn more than anything.

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby goldenboy514 » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:58 pm

fkt18 wrote:
ftbchamp231 wrote:I hate realizing how much better my chances are at Penn with a 3.8x than a 3.7x. My high school college courses brought me from a 3.85 to a 3.73 in the eyes of LSDAS even though they aren't counting towards my degree.


If it helps, I'd happy trade my 3.8+ GPA for a higher LSAT... That would help my chances at Penn more than anything.


+1

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby kitkat288 » Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:46 pm

Lost most hope for Penn

177 retake, 3.6x

This thread is brutal

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby kek5250 » Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:09 pm

I'm wondering why we can't talk about YP on a different thread where it only terrifies those who want to read it. It's a relevant subject to many applicants outside this thread as well, so why bother scaring the piss out of people who just came to see some actual activity? a thread about YP all by itself isn't a bad idea.

anyone held for further review having any movement?

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby lawschool22 » Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:25 pm

kek5250 wrote:I'm wondering why we can't talk about YP on a different thread where it only terrifies those who want to read it. It's a relevant subject to many applicants outside this thread as well, so why bother scaring the piss out of people who just came to see some actual activity? a thread about YP all by itself isn't a bad idea.

anyone held for further review having any movement?


Sorry for objectively discussing something that lots of people ITT were already talking about. I forget, who is forcing you to read this thread? Reading facts and data should not "terrify" a future lawyer. I highly doubt a discussion about Penn YP in the Penn applicant's thread is "scaring the piss" out of anyone.

Feel free to start a YP thread if you don't think its a bad idea.

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby JustHawkin » Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:31 pm

lawschool22 wrote:
Sorry for objectively discussing something that lots of people ITT were already talking about. I forget, who is forcing you to read this thread? Reading facts and data should not "terrify" a future lawyer. I highly doubt a discussion about Penn YP in the Penn applicant's thread is "scaring the piss" out of anyone.

Feel free to start a YP thread if you don't think its a bad idea.

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby 04102014 » Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:43 pm

JustHawkin wrote:
lawschool22 wrote:
Sorry for objectively discussing something that lots of people ITT were already talking about. I forget, who is forcing you to read this thread? Reading facts and data should not "terrify" a future lawyer. I highly doubt a discussion about Penn YP in the Penn applicant's thread is "scaring the piss" out of anyone.

Feel free to start a YP thread if you don't think its a bad idea.

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:lol:

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby lawschool22 » Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:44 pm

ohpobrecito wrote:
JustHawkin wrote:
lawschool22 wrote:
Sorry for objectively discussing something that lots of people ITT were already talking about. I forget, who is forcing you to read this thread? Reading facts and data should not "terrify" a future lawyer. I highly doubt a discussion about Penn YP in the Penn applicant's thread is "scaring the piss" out of anyone.

Feel free to start a YP thread if you don't think its a bad idea.

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:lol:


Sorry if I was a little over the top, but for some reason that comment just struck me the wrong way.

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby JustHawkin » Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:56 pm

lawschool22 wrote:
ohpobrecito wrote:
JustHawkin wrote:[img]YeahILaugedAtMyOwnMemeSoWhat.jpg[/img]


:lol:


Sorry if I was a little over the top, but for some reason that comment just struck me the wrong way.


Fair game, no doubt.

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby 04102014 » Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:58 pm

So much tension itt lately.

I love all of you.

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby lawschool22 » Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:59 pm

ohpobrecito wrote:So much tension itt lately.

I love all of you.


Some decisions this week would relieve a lot of it lol. Come on Penn, let's make some calls soon.

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby 04102014 » Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:03 pm

lawschool22 wrote:
ohpobrecito wrote:So much tension itt lately.

I love all of you.


Some decisions this week would relieve a lot of it lol. Come on Penn, let's make some calls soon.


The fact that everywhere will be closed tomorrow makes me :x

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby Ambi-Turner » Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:14 pm

ohpobrecito wrote:
lawschool22 wrote:
ohpobrecito wrote:So much tension itt lately.

I love all of you.


Some decisions this week would relieve a lot of it lol. Come on Penn, let's make some calls soon.


The fact that everywhere will be closed tomorrow makes me :x

Don't be angry, enjoy the day off and the knowledge that you won't have to worry about any decisions tomorrow!

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby riverwater » Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:36 am

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby JustHawkin » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:19 am

riverwater wrote:
ohpobrecito wrote:The fact that everywhere will be closed tomorrow makes me :x


I know of at least one T14 that will be open. Not sure whether they'll release decisions though.

Who?.

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby 04102014 » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:35 am

riverwater wrote:
ohpobrecito wrote:The fact that everywhere will be closed tomorrow makes me :x


I know of at least one T14 that will be open. Not sure whether they'll release decisions though.


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