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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby Dee32 » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:00 pm

For those being WL, did you write any of Penn's optional essays or tailor your application in any way to Penn? Seems like some of these candidates could have easily gotten in by numbers. Any chance Penn is just looking for more commitment from applicants?

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby 04102014 » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:01 pm

Are the emails coming out in batches or are they trickling out?

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby lawschool22 » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:01 pm

The-Specs wrote:
lawschool22 wrote:
ohpobrecito wrote:
lawschool22 wrote:Penn's median dropped to 169 right?


Yes sir


One of my theories is playing itself out at V and P today.


which one?


The one that says the drop to 169 medians will hurt 170+ splitters. I was talking about this a while back in the medians thread, but I was thinking that perhaps as medians dropped, splitters with 170+ LSATs would actually become a bit less valuable to schools in the mid-T14, since now they could consider all the many more new people with 169's and above median GPA's that before were below the LSAT median. Now they could admit the 169/3.8 instead of needing to choose the 171/3.6.

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby 04102014 » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:03 pm

Dee32 wrote:For those being WL, did you write any of Penn's optional essays or tailor your application in any way to Penn? Seems like some of these candidates could have easily gotten in by numbers. Any chance Penn is just looking for more commitment from applicants?


Penn is notorious for protecting their yield.

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby phillywc » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:03 pm

lawschool22 wrote:The one that says the drop to 169 medians will hurt 170+ splitters. I was talking about this a while back in the medians thread, but I was thinking that perhaps as medians dropped, splitters with 170+ LSATs would actually become a bit less valuable to schools in the mid-T14, since now they could consider all the many more new people with 169's and above median GPA's that before were below the LSAT median. Now they could admit the 169/3.8 instead of needing to choose the 171/3.6.

Yeah I'm a strong believer of this and am concerned.

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby Rangers5 » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:04 pm

Sorry guys :( , any of the people getting WL'd have a UR date of 12/3?

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby 04102014 » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:06 pm

Also, for those TLS scholars out there, does Penn ever directly WL someone from ED, or are they deferred to RD pool first?

Asking for a friend. not really
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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby HOS » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:07 pm

What in god name is happening... I've been in and out of meetings all day... got waitlisted at UVA this morning... are the rest of us safe now?

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby lawschool22 » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:11 pm

HOS wrote:What in god name is happening... I've been in and out of meetings all day... got waitlisted at UVA this morning... are the rest of us safe now?


The VP wait-list bloodbath of 2014.

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby HOS » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:12 pm

lawschool22 wrote:
HOS wrote:What in god name is happening... I've been in and out of meetings all day... got waitlisted at UVA this morning... are the rest of us safe now?


The VP wait-list bloodbath of 2014.


But the numbers everyone is reporting... they're good numbers.

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby lawschool22 » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:13 pm

HOS wrote:
lawschool22 wrote:
HOS wrote:What in god name is happening... I've been in and out of meetings all day... got waitlisted at UVA this morning... are the rest of us safe now?


The VP wait-list bloodbath of 2014.


But the numbers everyone is reporting... they're good numbers.


Exactly. That's why I called it a bloodbath lol. See a few posts up for my theory on this.

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby SplitMyPants » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:13 pm

The-Specs wrote:
lawschool22 wrote:
ohpobrecito wrote:
lawschool22 wrote:
Yes sir


One of my theories is playing itself out at V and P today.


which one?


The one that says the drop to 169 medians will hurt 170+ splitters. I was talking about this a while back in the medians thread, but I was thinking that perhaps as medians dropped, splitters with 170+ LSATs would actually become a bit less valuable to schools in the mid-T14, since now they could consider all the many more new people with 169's and above median GPA's that before were below the LSAT median. Now they could admit the 169/3.8 instead of needing to choose the 171/3.6.


I was hoping this wouldn't happen...

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby HOS » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:15 pm

lawschool22 wrote:
HOS wrote:
lawschool22 wrote:
HOS wrote:What in god name is happening... I've been in and out of meetings all day... got waitlisted at UVA this morning... are the rest of us safe now?


The VP wait-list bloodbath of 2014.


But the numbers everyone is reporting... they're good numbers.


Exactly. That's why I called it a bloodbath lol. See a few posts up for my theory on this.


Wow, you called it. Good job. Also saw that you were waitlisted from UVA this morning. Sorry to see that.

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby t14splitter » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:15 pm

ttime97 wrote:
t14splitter wrote:Is it just me or does it seem like a disproportionate number of these WLs are URMs?


It does seem like a lot, right? Do you have a guess why that would be?



Seems more like the general pool now.

Looking at the activity on LSN shows that the vast majority are splitters and reverse splitters. Looks like the floor for LSAT is around 164 for high GPA apps

Edit: Floor to get wait-listed*
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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby JustHawkin » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:16 pm

Are 169, sub-median GPAs just getting dings in the bloodbath of '14?

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby monsterman » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:17 pm

Is it safe to come out now? I've been hiding under my bed.

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby lsatnoob » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:18 pm

t14splitter wrote:
ttime97 wrote:
t14splitter wrote:Is it just me or does it seem like a disproportionate number of these WLs are URMs?


It does seem like a lot, right? Do you have a guess why that would be?



Seems more like the general pool now.

Looking at the activity on LSN shows that the vast majority are splitters and reverse splitters. Looks like the floor for LSAT is around 164 for high GPA apps


I'm a reverse splitter with less than a 164 and close to a 4.0 awaiting my denial email

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby lawschool22 » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:19 pm

HOS wrote:
Wow, you called it. Good job. Also saw that you were waitlisted from UVA this morning. Sorry to see that.


No worries, just a victim of my own theories lol.

This theory I felt would really play itself out most at the classic yield protect schools like Penn and UVA. And I think that's what we're seeing. They can afford to be even more stingy with the 170+ splitters, because (a) they don't think you'll go there anyway, and (b) now they just accept the 169 who they KNOW will go to V and P, because the 169 is not nearly as likely to get CCN.

But since it's partly a YP play, i figured it would probably come at us in the form of waitlists as opposed to outright dings, which is what we're seeing so far.

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby AAJD2B » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:23 pm

monsterman wrote:Is it safe to come out now? I've been hiding under my bed.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

I was WL. URM with both below 25th percentile numbers.

12/3 UR1
1/7 UR2
Wrote a brief Why Penn but didn't discuss my actual visit and tour of the school. Will utilize that in a LOCI and send am additional LOR prior to the WL deadline.

GL to those still waiting!

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby Come on Down » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:24 pm

lawschool22 wrote:
HOS wrote:
Wow, you called it. Good job. Also saw that you were waitlisted from UVA this morning. Sorry to see that.


No worries, just a victim of my own theories lol.

This theory I felt would really play itself out most at the classic yield protect schools like Penn and UVA. And I think that's what we're seeing. They can afford to be even more stingy with the 170+ splitters, because (a) they don't think you'll go there anyway, and (b) now they just accept the 169 who they KNOW will go to V and P, because the 169 is not nearly as likely to get CCN.

But since it's partly a YP play, i figured it would probably come at us in the form of waitlists as opposed to outright dings, which is what we're seeing so far.


You are so wise lawschool22. I shall use my first post to commend your wisdom and give condolences on your recent bad news.

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby 04102014 » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:28 pm

Okay, some info from last year:

There was a lot of action the Thursday and Friday before the long weekend. On Friday, there was a big wave of acceptances early in the day, followed by a relatively large wave of rejections and waitlists later on. So, tomorrow is looking like a huge day.

ED II people: Last year, it looks like most ED II decisions (admit, hold, WL, reject) were released on Tuesday, January 29th. Some didn't hear until early February (!), despite what the contract stipulates.
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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby lawschool22 » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:29 pm

Come on Down wrote:
lawschool22 wrote:
HOS wrote:
Wow, you called it. Good job. Also saw that you were waitlisted from UVA this morning. Sorry to see that.


No worries, just a victim of my own theories lol.

This theory I felt would really play itself out most at the classic yield protect schools like Penn and UVA. And I think that's what we're seeing. They can afford to be even more stingy with the 170+ splitters, because (a) they don't think you'll go there anyway, and (b) now they just accept the 169 who they KNOW will go to V and P, because the 169 is not nearly as likely to get CCN.

But since it's partly a YP play, i figured it would probably come at us in the form of waitlists as opposed to outright dings, which is what we're seeing so far.


You are so wise lawschool22. I shall use my first post to commend your wisdom and give condolences on your recent bad news.


Even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while. Or something like that. I espouse a lot of theories, they don't all end up being right lol

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby orangec90 » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:30 pm

monsterman wrote:Is it safe to come out now? I've been hiding under my bed.


Legit lol'ed - this cheered me up

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby AAJD2B » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:32 pm

orangec90 wrote:Rejected, 168 3.6 URM :(


This is crazy. And they say they want more URMs??!!!

Anyway, you're Harvard-bound anyway! :mrgreen:

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Re: Penn c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby Slytherpuff » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:33 pm

I've been waiting to go complete for 2 weeks now - maybe that's a good thing since I can consider myself "spared" from the bloodbath today?




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