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Re: Notre Dame Law School c/o 2017 (2013-2014 applicants)

Postby gotsomequestions » Fri Feb 07, 2014 1:47 pm

Yup. "An insiders guide to notre dame law school 2014." It has lots of pages.

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Re: Notre Dame Law School c/o 2017 (2013-2014 applicants)

Postby RollingthruLawSchool » Fri Feb 07, 2014 1:56 pm

kyle010723 wrote:
yossarian71 wrote:
jk148706 wrote:When did scholarships go out last year?


Earlier, but not super relevant. From multiple sources (including directly from adcomms to TLSers), they have totally revamped their scholarship disbursement system. We don't even know if they are keeping the $25k cap (though I wouldn't get your hopes up).

I imagine they are going to use schollys to get aggressive about LSATs because of their 3 point LSAT drop last year. My guess is they'll start lowish, but they indicated they will negotiate some this year. They'll try to hammer the median back up by bolstering around high 16x people.

All speculation, but they will probably get serious about their median the way WUSTL did last year. Not saying this means throwing gobs of cash like WUSTL, but they will try something.

EDIT: for clarity


For what it's worth, they have a new staff of adcomms, brought in outside consultants to revamp the scholarship process. Though no one would admit it, last year's slight misstep really blew up and got heads rolling is my personal take on it.



Pardon my ignorance, but what was their misstep last year?

When I visited the campus in November, the admissions staff said that they were trying a different approach to scholarships this year and that scholarships would not be offered until March, instead of providing scholarship information in the acceptance letter. Then, last week, they sent out the email saying that they would be sending out scholarship information in the beginning of February – a month earlier than they originally stated. Good news for me, but still, the anticipation is killing me!!

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Re: Notre Dame Law School c/o 2017 (2013-2014 applicants)

Postby yossarian » Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:03 pm

RollingthruLawSchool wrote:
Pardon my ignorance, but what was their misstep last year?

When I visited the campus in November, the admissions staff said that they were trying a different approach to scholarships this year and that scholarships would not be offered until March, instead of providing scholarship information in the acceptance letter. Then, last week, they sent out the email saying that they would be sending out scholarship information in the beginning of February – a month earlier than they originally stated. Good news for me, but still, the anticipation is killing me!!


My guess is that they were saying March when you rolled through because your batch of admits won't hear until March. They will probably only cover Oct-early Jan. admits in this early February wave. Hope that's not the case for your sake. But that would be my guess.

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Re: Notre Dame Law School c/o 2017 (2013-2014 applicants)

Postby RollingthruLawSchool » Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:08 pm

yossarian71 wrote:
RollingthruLawSchool wrote:
Pardon my ignorance, but what was their misstep last year?

When I visited the campus in November, the admissions staff said that they were trying a different approach to scholarships this year and that scholarships would not be offered until March, instead of providing scholarship information in the acceptance letter. Then, last week, they sent out the email saying that they would be sending out scholarship information in the beginning of February – a month earlier than they originally stated. Good news for me, but still, the anticipation is killing me!!


My guess is that they were saying March when you rolled through because your batch of admits won't hear until March. They will probably only cover Oct-early Jan. admits in this early February wave. Hope that's not the case for your sake. But that would be my guess.


nope. I was admitted in December. Plus, the admissions packet save the date section says scholarship information to be sent out in mid-March

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Re: Notre Dame Law School c/o 2017 (2013-2014 applicants)

Postby yossarian » Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:12 pm

RollingthruLawSchool wrote:
yossarian71 wrote:
RollingthruLawSchool wrote:
Pardon my ignorance, but what was their misstep last year?

When I visited the campus in November, the admissions staff said that they were trying a different approach to scholarships this year and that scholarships would not be offered until March, instead of providing scholarship information in the acceptance letter. Then, last week, they sent out the email saying that they would be sending out scholarship information in the beginning of February – a month earlier than they originally stated. Good news for me, but still, the anticipation is killing me!!


My guess is that they were saying March when you rolled through because your batch of admits won't hear until March. They will probably only cover Oct-early Jan. admits in this early February wave. Hope that's not the case for your sake. But that would be my guess.


nope. I was admitted in December. Plus, the admissions packet save the date section says scholarship information to be sent out in mid-March


Weird. ND, why you mess with us? I'm gonna trust the all admit newsletter which is the most recent and most universal source. Early Feb.

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Re: Notre Dame Law School c/o 2017 (2013-2014 applicants)

Postby Ricky-Bobby » Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:12 pm

RollingthruLawSchool wrote:
kyle010723 wrote:
yossarian71 wrote:
jk148706 wrote:When did scholarships go out last year?


Earlier, but not super relevant. From multiple sources (including directly from adcomms to TLSers), they have totally revamped their scholarship disbursement system. We don't even know if they are keeping the $25k cap (though I wouldn't get your hopes up).

I imagine they are going to use schollys to get aggressive about LSATs because of their 3 point LSAT drop last year. My guess is they'll start lowish, but they indicated they will negotiate some this year. They'll try to hammer the median back up by bolstering around high 16x people.

All speculation, but they will probably get serious about their median the way WUSTL did last year. Not saying this means throwing gobs of cash like WUSTL, but they will try something.

EDIT: for clarity


For what it's worth, they have a new staff of adcomms, brought in outside consultants to revamp the scholarship process. Though no one would admit it, last year's slight misstep really blew up and got heads rolling is my personal take on it.



Pardon my ignorance, but what was their misstep last year?

When I visited the campus in November, the admissions staff said that they were trying a different approach to scholarships this year and that scholarships would not be offered until March, instead of providing scholarship information in the acceptance letter. Then, last week, they sent out the email saying that they would be sending out scholarship information in the beginning of February – a month earlier than they originally stated. Good news for me, but still, the anticipation is killing me!!


The misstep was the $25k scholly cap.

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Re: Notre Dame Law School c/o 2017 (2013-2014 applicants)

Postby gotsomequestions » Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:19 pm

So now we wait until march people think? I was admitted Jan 8 and my letter said scholarship is coming!

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Postby jk148706 » Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:23 pm

gotsomequestions wrote:So now we wait until march people think? I was admitted Jan 8 and my letter said scholarship is coming!


Nah. Early Feb

Notre Dame Admitted Student Newsletter wrote: The Office of Admissions will be making merit and need-based scholarship decisions in the beginning of February. Those who qualify for a scholarship will be notified via email.

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Postby gotsomequestions » Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:32 pm

Right just making sure. My email said that as well!

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Postby ManoftheHour » Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:37 pm

I had a dream that I got almost full offers from WUSTL and ND and couldn't decide.

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Postby yossarian » Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:38 pm

ManoftheHour wrote:I had a dream that I got almost full offers from WUSTL and ND and couldn't decide.


+1

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Postby kyle010723 » Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:58 pm

Dropping 3pt on LSAT was just unacceptable. Albeit that we do not need to get in an arms race with WUSTL (that is really the only peer school), not because we cannot afford it (ND cannot afford something? HA), but merely because as a school, that is not our culture (giving out money like candies). That being said, some changes in personnel might change how scholarship is being evaluated this year, that is why it is taking a while, and hopefully that means you guys will get better offers.

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Postby desichhori » Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:01 pm

SparkyZZZ wrote:Yeah, you should have the acceptance email by the end of the day.


So they do send out an email?On the status checker, it says "we do not release decisions by telephone or email." Plus I have no deposit info...does that mean WL/DINGED? aah! Also, I live outside the US now. Hope the email comes soon!!!!

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Postby ndirish2010 » Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:02 pm

kyle010723 wrote:Dropping 3pt on LSAT was just unacceptable. Albeit that we do not need to get in an arms race with WUSTL (that is really the only peer school), not because we cannot afford it (ND cannot afford something? HA), but merely because as a school, that is not our culture (giving out money like candies). That being said, some changes in personnel might change how scholarship is being evaluated this year, that is why it is taking a while, and hopefully that means you guys will get better offers.


We don't really need to chase WUSTL in numbers. Placement is not going to change much either way.

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Re: Notre Dame Law School c/o 2017 (2013-2014 applicants)

Postby gotsomequestions » Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:06 pm

So these emails...I'll be waiting anxiously! I remember a post a few weeks back about them coming today too...just so anxious about it.

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Re: Notre Dame Law School c/o 2017 (2013-2014 applicants)

Postby RollingthruLawSchool » Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:45 pm

jk148706 wrote:
gotsomequestions wrote:So now we wait until march people think? I was admitted Jan 8 and my letter said scholarship is coming!


Nah. Early Feb

Notre Dame Admitted Student Newsletter wrote: The Office of Admissions will be making merit and need-based scholarship decisions in the beginning of February. Those who qualify for a scholarship will be notified via email.


decided to put the speculation to rest and call the admissions office. The secretary didn't know and asked someone else. It looks like the scholarship process is going to begin in February, but it sounds like closer to the end of February/March is when people will begin to hear. The secretary did mention that there are a lot of new people working on the scholarship committee this year and didn't even seem certain about the end of February/March. I don't think they're coming out today. Basically, no one knows. Anxiously check your email every day, multiple times a day

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Re: Notre Dame Law School c/o 2017 (2013-2014 applicants)

Postby Lebrarian_Booker » Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:46 pm

RollingthruLawSchool wrote:
jk148706 wrote:
gotsomequestions wrote:So now we wait until march people think? I was admitted Jan 8 and my letter said scholarship is coming!


Nah. Early Feb

Notre Dame Admitted Student Newsletter wrote: The Office of Admissions will be making merit and need-based scholarship decisions in the beginning of February. Those who qualify for a scholarship will be notified via email.


decided to put the speculation to rest and call the admissions office. The secretary didn't know and asked someone else. It looks like the scholarship process is going to begin in February, but it sounds like closer to the end of February/March is when people will begin to hear. The secretary did mention that there are a lot of new people working on the scholarship committee this year and didn't even seem certain about the end of February/March. I don't think they're coming out today. Basically, no one knows. Anxiously check your email every day, multiple times a day


I'm checking my email 7 or 8 times RIGHT NOW

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Re: Notre Dame Law School c/o 2017 (2013-2014 applicants)

Postby Ricky-Bobby » Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:47 pm

RollingthruLawSchool wrote:
jk148706 wrote:
gotsomequestions wrote:So now we wait until march people think? I was admitted Jan 8 and my letter said scholarship is coming!


Nah. Early Feb

Notre Dame Admitted Student Newsletter wrote: The Office of Admissions will be making merit and need-based scholarship decisions in the beginning of February. Those who qualify for a scholarship will be notified via email.


decided to put the speculation to rest and call the admissions office. The secretary didn't know and asked someone else. It looks like the scholarship process is going to begin in February, but it sounds like closer to the end of February/March is when people will begin to hear. The secretary did mention that there are a lot of new people working on the scholarship committee this year and didn't even seem certain about the end of February/March. I don't think they're coming out today. Basically, no one knows. Anxiously check your email every day, multiple times a day


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Re: Notre Dame Law School c/o 2017 (2013-2014 applicants)

Postby ManoftheHour » Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:41 pm

Ricky-Bobby wrote:+1

I don't know about you guys, but my admit email said "You are an outstanding candidate and we intend to make Notre Dame Law School the most attractive option available to you." To me, that sounds like they're getting ready to make it rain this year.


Just got my (awesome, btw) packet and I got this message as well. Would LOVE to attend ND if they threw some serious $$$ my way.

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Postby yossarian » Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:01 am

Ricky bobby when were you admitted? I'm irrationally hoping it's the timing of the letters now. Reread mine tho. It does say they need extra time in order to give me the 'maximum and most competitive award'. But the context seems to be related to my situation. Not like the most ND can give.

EDIT: fixed iPhone nonsense
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Postby Ricky-Bobby » Sat Feb 08, 2014 1:11 am

yossarian71 wrote:Ricky bobby when were you admitted. I'm irrationally hoping it's the timing of the letters now. Retread mine tho. It does say they need extra time in order to give me the 'maximum and most competitive award'. But the context says to it situation. Not like the most ND can give


I was admitted back in November, I believe. Are you looking at the admissions email? Because my letter says that about the maximum and most competitive, but the email I got first says the bit about most attractive.

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Postby yossarian » Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:13 am

Ricky-Bobby wrote:
yossarian71 wrote:Ricky bobby when were you admitted. I'm irrationally hoping it's the timing of the letters now. Retread mine tho. It does say they need extra time in order to give me the 'maximum and most competitive award'. But the context says to it situation. Not like the most ND can give


I was admitted back in November, I believe. Are you looking at the admissions email? Because my letter says that about the maximum and most competitive, but the email I got first says the bit about most attractive.


No. My email doesn't say anything about $. Looks like Man of the Hour didn't have that in his email either. He said it was in his packet. Hm.. All very interesting.

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Re: Notre Dame Law School c/o 2017 (2013-2014 applicants)

Postby yossarian » Sat Feb 08, 2014 1:24 pm

ndirish2010 wrote:
kyle010723 wrote:Dropping 3pt on LSAT was just unacceptable. Albeit that we do not need to get in an arms race with WUSTL (that is really the only peer school), not because we cannot afford it (ND cannot afford something? HA), but merely because as a school, that is not our culture (giving out money like candies). That being said, some changes in personnel might change how scholarship is being evaluated this year, that is why it is taking a while, and hopefully that means you guys will get better offers.


We don't really need to chase WUSTL in numbers. Placement is not going to change much either way.


Interested in this. Outside of California, where USC and UCLA throw a wrench into things, it seems that really the only schools that operate differently than a regional T1 are WUSTL, ND, and Vandy. I know Vandy is consistently (slightly) higher than WUSTL/ND in both ranking and placement, but it seems to me that they are all peer schools. They are the only non-t14s that have good national-ish placement. For all 3, it seems the national placement is due to their general and lay and prestige drawing people from all over the country and sending them back to their regions. That said, their local regions are also bigger than a typical T1 region.

I've viewed all three as peer schools during my admissions process. Any reason either one of you (irish or kyle) wouldn't include Vandy as a peer school? To me, it seems as though Vandy is sort of the ND/WUSTL of the South. And, does it matter? Because as irish said, placement probably won't change as a result of minor changes in USNWR for any of these three?

This question is more hypothetical than practical. But, it will matter slightly as all three are strong options for me.

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Re: Notre Dame Law School c/o 2017 (2013-2014 applicants)

Postby kyle010723 » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:58 pm

yossarian71 wrote:Interested in this. Outside of California, where USC and UCLA throw a wrench into things, it seems that really the only schools that operate differently than a regional T1 are WUSTL, ND, and Vandy. I know Vandy is consistently (slightly) higher than WUSTL/ND in both ranking and placement, but it seems to me that they are all peer schools. They are the only non-t14s that have good national-ish placement. For all 3, it seems the national placement is due to their general and lay and prestige drawing people from all over the country and sending them back to their regions. That said, their local regions are also bigger than a typical T1 region.

I've viewed all three as peer schools during my admissions process. Any reason either one of you (irish or kyle) wouldn't include Vandy as a peer school? To me, it seems as though Vandy is sort of the ND/WUSTL of the South. And, does it matter? Because as irish said, placement probably won't change as a result of minor changes in USNWR for any of these three?

This question is more hypothetical than practical. But, it will matter slightly as all three are strong options for me.


I personally dont have a feeling toward Vandy, it was never a school I looked at. My gut reaction is that Vandy as to the South is ND as to the Midwest. I would consider WUSTL and ND peers in the Midwest (throw in UIUC if you're just talking about Chicago). I debated long and hard between WUSTL and ND, but Vandy was just never on my radar.

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Re: Notre Dame Law School c/o 2017 (2013-2014 applicants)

Postby ManoftheHour » Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:34 am

yossarian71 wrote:
Ricky-Bobby wrote:
yossarian71 wrote:Ricky bobby when were you admitted. I'm irrationally hoping it's the timing of the letters now. Retread mine tho. It does say they need extra time in order to give me the 'maximum and most competitive award'. But the context says to it situation. Not like the most ND can give


I was admitted back in November, I believe. Are you looking at the admissions email? Because my letter says that about the maximum and most competitive, but the email I got first says the bit about most attractive.


No. My email doesn't say anything about $. Looks like Man of the Hour didn't have that in his email either. He said it was in his packet. Hm.. All very interesting.


Nope. My email didn't mention anything about $. I was starting to worry until I got the packet. I'd be pretty damn happy with $25k/yr. Just crossing my fingers.




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