Notre Dame Law School c/o 2018 (2014-2015 applicants)

[Ktr007]

Hey all you waitlisters,

I am a current NDLS 1L and I got in off the waitlist last year with a substantial scholarship. Several of us did. Don't lose hope! Also, I'd be willing to assist people in finding housing or learning their way around south bend. I took a job here this summer so I'll be around.

[krispymenudo]

Hey all you waitlisters,

I am a current NDLS 1L and I got in off the waitlist last year with a substantial scholarship. Several of us did. Don't lose hope! Also, I'd be willing to assist people in finding housing or learning their way around south bend. I took a job here this summer so I'll be around.

Awesome to hear! If you don't mind my asking, what did you do post-WL to get in?

[Banshee]

has anyone received their travel stipend reimbursement yet?

No.



Edited: Received!

Could you elaborate how you got it? I emailed right after ASD and never recieved an email response back or anything. How long did it take; I'm starting to freak about it.

I received it via snail mail. I emailed them the day after ASW.

I received mine today via snail mail. It took exactly two weeks from when I submitted the info via email.

[mu13ski]

Hey all you waitlisters,

I am a current NDLS 1L and I got in off the waitlist last year with a substantial scholarship. Several of us did. Don't lose hope! Also, I'd be willing to assist people in finding housing or learning their way around south bend. I took a job here this summer so I'll be around.

Awesome to hear! If you don't mind my asking, what did you do post-WL to get in?

All I did was send a LOCI and wait. Worked for me

[mx23250]

So the new ATL Law School Rankings will be released tonight. Any predictions for where ND will end up? They were #18 last year. For those of you unfamiliar with this ranking system, here's a link to last year's rankings along with a description of its methodology: http://abovethelaw.com/careers/law-school-rankings/
Basically it's an outcomes-based approach rather than USNWR which factors in admissions criteria.

My prediction: #17

[yossarian]

My prediction: #17

Yeah, right around there. I don't think any of the ATL rankings will move very much.

[mx23250]

My prediction: #17

Yeah, right around there. I don't think any of the ATL rankings will move very much.

I agree. The only criteria that really changes much from year to year is the employment score.

[Justice Jackson]

My prediction: #17

Yeah, right around there. I don't think any of the ATL rankings will move very much.

I agree. The only criteria that really changes much from year to year is the employment score.

I am interested to see if Notre Dame will get a bump from the two recent graduates that earned SCOTUS clerkships this year. (I read that Cornell only placed 2 on the SCOTUS from 2000-2010 and that Penn only placed 3 in the same period.) They belonged to an earlier class, which may mean they will not be counted. (My guess is that they will not.)

Also, there are a few schools in the top 25 that have high school-funded-jobs rates (Emory, GW, W&M). Notre Dame's school-funded-jobs rate was only 1.1%. (I read that this is unusually high too.) This may play a role in the upcoming rankings due to ATL's focus on "quality jobs", which does not include school-funded jobs -- I think.

For example, Emory has an LST employment score of 83.6%. This is a great score, however, when you subtract the school-funded-jobs from their score -- which is 21.2% -- it drops to 62.4%.

Other great schools have similar, albeit not as dramatic, changes:

- UCLA: 75.6% - 9.3% = 66.3%
- USC: 63.9% - 4.2% = 59.7%
- G'town: 83.7% - 11.3% = 72.4%
- GW: 77.4% - 14.6% = 62.8%
- W&M: 75.6% - 19.8% = 55.8%

So, at least from this perspective, there *could* be some movement.

- Notre Dame: 71.2% - 1.1% = 70.1%

Needless to say that future NDLS students -- I am still having a tough time saying "domers" -- will be interested in the new rankings.

[mx23250]

My prediction: #17

Yeah, right around there. I don't think any of the ATL rankings will move very much.

I agree. The only criteria that really changes much from year to year is the employment score.

I am interested to see if Notre Dame will get a bump from the two recent graduates that earned SCOTUS clerkships this year. (I read that Cornell only placed 2 on the SCOTUS from 2000-2010 and that Penn only placed 3 in the same period.) They belonged to an earlier class, which may mean they will not be counted. (My guess is that they will not.)

Also, there are a few schools in the top 25 that have high school-funded-jobs rates (Emory, GW, W&M). Notre Dame's school-funded-jobs rate was only 1.1%. (I read that this is unusually high too.) This may play a role in the upcoming rankings due to ATL's focus on "quality jobs", which does not include school-funded jobs -- I think.

For example, Emory has an LST employment score of 83.6%. This is a great score, however, when you subtract the school-funded-jobs from their score -- which is 21.2% -- it drops to 62.4%.

Other great schools have similar, albeit not as dramatic, changes:

- UCLA: 75.6% - 9.3% = 66.3%
- USC: 63.9% - 4.2% = 59.7%
- G'town: 83.7% - 11.3% = 72.4%
- GW: 77.4% - 14.6% = 62.8%
- W&M: 75.6% - 19.8% = 55.8%

So, at least from this perspective, there *could* be some movement.

- Notre Dame: 71.2% - 1.1% = 70.1%

Needless to say that future NDLS students -- I am still having a tough time saying "domers" -- will be interested in the new rankings.

All true points. I'm pretty impressed with how ND doesn't rely on school-funded jobs to boost rankings like many other schools do, as you point out. As for the 1.1% at ND, this is actually made up of 2 students who were awarded a highly competitive fellowship through ND, hence being technically school-funded. However, based on the competitiveness of this fellowship, I would imagine these two individuals could easily have landed full-time JD-required attorney positions independent of ND if they wanted.

[Justice Jackson]

I heard something similar regarding Notre Dame's 1.1%, which makes me wonder if the same can be said about school-funded jobs at other law schools. Probably, but I'm not sure that ATL will make the distinction in their rankings.

Either way, Go Irish!

[mx23250]

I heard something similar regarding Notre Dame's 1.1%, which makes me wonder if the same can be said about school-funded jobs at other law schools. Probably, but I'm not sure that ATL will make the distinction in their rankings.

Either way, Go Irish!

Go, Irish, indeed!

[Justice Jackson]

Above the Law Rankings 2014

1. Yale
2. Harvard
3. Stanford
4. Columbia
5. University of Chicago
6. NYU
7. Duke
8. Penn
9. Virginia
10. Michigan
11. Northwestern
12. Berkeley
13. Cornell
14. Vanderbilt
15. Texas
16. Georgetown
17. Notre Dame
18. Iowa
19. UCLA
20. Georgia

Good guess for those of you who predicted Notre Dame to be ranked 17th.

[mx23250]

Above the Law Rankings 2014

1. Yale
2. Harvard
3. Stanford
4. Columbia
5. University of Chicago
6. NYU
7. Duke
8. Penn
9. Virginia
10. Michigan
11. Northwestern
12. Berkeley
13. Cornell
14. Vanderbilt
15. Texas
16. Georgetown
17. Notre Dame
18. Iowa
19. UCLA
20. Georgia



17. Notre Dame

Looks like my guess of #17 was right USC fell a ton. Wow. I wonder what's behind that?

[Justice Jackson]

Above the Law Rankings 2014

1. Yale
2. Harvard
3. Stanford
4. Columbia
5. University of Chicago
6. NYU
7. Duke
8. Penn
9. Virginia
10. Michigan
11. Northwestern
12. Berkeley
13. Cornell
14. Vanderbilt
15. Texas
16. Georgetown
17. Notre Dame
18. Iowa
19. UCLA
20. Georgia



17. Notre Dame

Looks like my guess of #17 was right USC fell a ton. Wow. I wonder what's behind that?

I think that USC's fall is related -- at least partially -- to their 59.7% employment score. But 15 places is a steep drop. There's got to be something more.

[ManoftheHour]

Cornell should be higher.

[kyle010723]

I heard something similar regarding Notre Dame's 1.1%, which makes me wonder if the same can be said about school-funded jobs at other law schools. Probably, but I'm not sure that ATL will make the distinction in their rankings.

Either way, Go Irish!

My guess is the 1% comes from the Shaffer Fellowship, which is awarded to two graduates every year. Not sure if that would count as law school employed or not.

http://law.nd.edu/careers/current-stude ... ellowship/

[mx23250]

I heard something similar regarding Notre Dame's 1.1%, which makes me wonder if the same can be said about school-funded jobs at other law schools. Probably, but I'm not sure that ATL will make the distinction in their rankings.

Either way, Go Irish!

My guess is the 1% comes from the Shaffer Fellowship, which is awarded to two graduates every year. Not sure if that would count as law school employed or not.

http://law.nd.edu/careers/current-stude ... ellowship/

This is correct. I recall in one of the sessions during ASW them saying that their 2 university-employed grads were Shaffer fellows.

[ManoftheHour]

I heard something similar regarding Notre Dame's 1.1%, which makes me wonder if the same can be said about school-funded jobs at other law schools. Probably, but I'm not sure that ATL will make the distinction in their rankings.

Either way, Go Irish!

My guess is the 1% comes from the Shaffer Fellowship, which is awarded to two graduates every year. Not sure if that would count as law school employed or not.

http://law.nd.edu/careers/current-stude ... ellowship/

This is correct. I recall in one of the sessions during ASW them saying that their 2 university-employed grads were Shaffer fellows.

This is credited. Wow. It's a 2 year thing too, unlike like $15/hr bs that lasts one year so schools can count it as "long term."

It's actually not bad:

Fellows will be employed by their host agency and will be paid annual salaries of $46,000 by their host agency plus be eligible for the same benefits as regular employees of the host agency.

[krispymenudo]

In off the waitlist! Incredibly excited!!!!

[ManoftheHour]

In off the waitlist! Incredibly excited!!!!

You coming for sure?

[mx23250]

In off the waitlist! Incredibly excited!!!!

Congrats!! Do you think you'll accept?

[krispymenudo]

It's looking like it! It's got the perfect mix of what I'm looking for (Catholic and places into BigLaw fairly well to maintain that as an option for me)! Gotta look into what it's going to cost me minus my scholarship offer and think about it! Really excited though, and most likely going to attend!

[balewis3]

Did your status update before they contacted you?

[Nova3175]

Hey fellow future-domers!

Made my deposit a few weeks ago and now I'm just itching to get out to ND this fall! I'm a native New Yorker headed to the Midwest for the first time. Was wondering if anyone had heard some advice about living on campus vs. off and the pros & cons? I'm looking for a friendly living environment (preferably among other law students) that will value the peace & quiet needed for study times, but also game to put the books aside for some well-deserved fun during football season!

Let me know any advice you all have heard about 1L housing. Congrats to everyone who's decided on ND! Looking forward to meeting you in a few short months!

[krispymenudo]

Did your status update before they contacted you?

nope, it still hasn't changed either