UC Berkeley c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014)

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Re: UC Berkeley c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014)

Postby waferthinmint » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:17 pm

Arrow4Christ wrote:
Lebrarian_Booker wrote:What does FR mean?

I checked the TLS Abbreviations sticky but didn't find it...


Faculty Review. Berkeley admits some applicants outright, but subjects others to a faculty review process of which about 10% or so applicants (correct me if I'm wrong) make it through.


Oh crap!

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Re: UC Berkeley c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014)

Postby love4life29 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:30 pm

What time do we give up?

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Re: UC Berkeley c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014)

Postby Arrow4Christ » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:31 pm

love4life29 wrote:What time do we give up?

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Re: UC Berkeley c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014)

Postby kobe1020 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:32 pm

Arrow4Christ wrote:
love4life29 wrote:What time do we give up?


+1

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Re: UC Berkeley c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014)

Postby californiauser » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:33 pm

rejection emails came around 10am pst last year

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Re: UC Berkeley c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014)

Postby waferthinmint » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:37 pm

Cmon alma mater, gimme some splitter looove (YOU gave me my UGPA, YOUUUU!!!)

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Re: UC Berkeley c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014)

Postby Arrow4Christ » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:39 pm

After neurotically looking through the acceptance waves of the past few months, it seems like in most cases, decisions were out by 9:30AM Pacific Time. However, on December 4, it looks like decisions came out around 2:00PM PT. So there's still hope :lol:

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Re: UC Berkeley c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014)

Postby wealtheow » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:41 pm

Arrow4Christ wrote:After neurotically looking through the acceptance waves of the past few months, it seems like in most cases, decisions were out by 9:30AM Pacific Time. However, on December 4, it looks like decisions came out around 2:00PM PT. So there's still hope :lol:


Oh, excellent. So I can have two more hours of getting nothing accomplished. Good, good.

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Re: UC Berkeley c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014)

Postby lejabberwocky » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:44 pm

Does the status checker update between "your file is under review" before a decision is rendered? (Excepting FR?) Also, how soon after getting "under review" does it typically take to be put under faculty review?

Thanks in advance (:

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Re: UC Berkeley c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014)

Postby Slytherpuff » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:17 pm

gma221 wrote:
californiauser wrote:According to last year's cycle, today's corresponding day was a bunch of non-FR dings, so those of us on FR might be waiting another week

Okay, this has made me way less excited for today.

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Re: UC Berkeley c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014)

Postby yeslekkkk » Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:41 pm

I read some of threads about fr from past years, and it seems like you will get a response during the week that uc berkeley sent in the email. I wouldn't count on anything earlier.

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Re: UC Berkeley c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014)

Postby bonerland » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:26 pm

Southbridge wrote:
Arrow4Christ wrote:
rigoding wrote:http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=176984

According to this, 200-250 people are admitted out of around 1500. That's like 13%.

From the quote, it seems like FR is the midway limbo b/w accept and WL.


But Boalt's overall acceptance rate according to lawschoolnumbers is 13% so I don't know why people are particularly freaked out about FR.


+1

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Re: UC Berkeley c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014)

Postby China Spy » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:30 pm

Southbridge wrote:
Arrow4Christ wrote:
rigoding wrote:http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=176984

According to this, 200-250 people are admitted out of around 1500. That's like 13%.

From the quote, it seems like FR is the midway limbo b/w accept and WL.


But Boalt's overall acceptance rate according to lawschoolnumbers is 13% so I don't know why people are particularly freaked out about FR.


Cuz if you are admitted without being placed under FR, at the very least you should feel special. It would be comparable to just getting a JS2.

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Re: UC Berkeley c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014)

Postby Cocoblues » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:33 pm

China Spy wrote:
Southbridge wrote:
Arrow4Christ wrote:
rigoding wrote:http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=176984

According to this, 200-250 people are admitted out of around 1500. That's like 13%.

From the quote, it seems like FR is the midway limbo b/w accept and WL.


But Boalt's overall acceptance rate according to lawschoolnumbers is 13% so I don't know why people are particularly freaked out about FR.


Cuz if you are admitted without being placed under FR, at the very least you should feel special. It would be comparable to just getting a JS2.


I wonder what percentage of admits gets accepted without going through FR. Are there any stats about this?

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Re: UC Berkeley c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014)

Postby China Spy » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:39 pm

Cocoblues wrote:
China Spy wrote:
Southbridge wrote:
rigoding wrote:http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=176984

According to this, 200-250 people are admitted out of around 1500. That's like 13%.

From the quote, it seems like FR is the midway limbo b/w accept and WL.


But Boalt's overall acceptance rate according to lawschoolnumbers is 13% so I don't know why people are particularly freaked out about FR.


Cuz if you are admitted without being placed under FR, at the very least you should feel special. It would be comparable to just getting a JS2.


I wonder what percentage of admits gets accepted without going through FR. Are there any stats about this?

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Re: UC Berkeley c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014)

Postby cesium » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:45 pm

Southbridge wrote:
Arrow4Christ wrote:
rigoding wrote:http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=176984

According to this, 200-250 people are admitted out of around 1500. That's like 13%.

From the quote, it seems like FR is the midway limbo b/w accept and WL.


But Boalt's overall acceptance rate according to lawschoolnumbers is 13% so I don't know why people are particularly freaked out about FR.


If every admitted candidate had to go through the second-round process of faculty review, then of course people should be happy or relieved to be notified that they've reached FR instead of freaking out about it. However, given that 500-550 people had already been directly admitted via the "administrative review" process without going to faculty review, with only 200-250 being admitted from a second-round pool of 1,500 candidates, I can understand why applicants get scared of FR. Here's why:

Even though both the FR acceptance rate and the overall acceptance rate are around 13%, you are being compared to very different pools of people. If your application is strong enough to make it to FR, you're already above the average Boalt applicant --- and you probably already knew that when you decided to apply. Thus, at the time of submission, you (correctly) estimate you have a larger than 13% chance of eventual admittance. However, when you're notified that you're under FR, it means you were not admitted in that initial 500-550 group. You're now being compared to a much stronger pool of candidates, with the obviously weak ones removed, and many of the remaining ones being similar to you. At this point, it really does become more like a 13% chance of success.

This is why people are freaked out about FR.

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Re: UC Berkeley c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014)

Postby Percival Jenkins » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:52 pm

cesium wrote:
Southbridge wrote:
Arrow4Christ wrote:
rigoding wrote:http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=176984

According to this, 200-250 people are admitted out of around 1500. That's like 13%.

From the quote, it seems like FR is the midway limbo b/w accept and WL.


But Boalt's overall acceptance rate according to lawschoolnumbers is 13% so I don't know why people are particularly freaked out about FR.


If every admitted candidate had to go through the second-round process of faculty review, then of course people should be happy or relieved to be notified that they've reached FR instead of freaking out about it. However, given that 500-550 people had already been directly admitted via the "administrative review" process without going to faculty review, with only 200-250 being admitted from a second-round pool of 1,500 candidates, I can understand why applicants get scared of FR. Here's why:

Even though both the FR acceptance rate and the overall acceptance rate are around 13%, they are very different pools of people. If your application is strong enough to make it to FR, you're already above the average Boalt applicant --- and you probably already knew that when you decided to apply. Thus, at the time of submission, you (correctly) estimate you have a larger than 13% chance of eventual admittance. However, when you're notified that you're under FR, it means you were not admitted in that initial 500-550 group, and you're now being compared to a much stronger pool of candidates, with many of them being similar to you. At this point, it really does become more like a 13% chance of success.

This is why people are freaked out about FR.


Actually last cycle they had an overall acceptance rate of around 18% (http://www.law.berkeley.edu/files/Berke ... t-2103.pdf). I am not sure how the FR process works now but that TLS article was written a while ago. At that time they only accepted around 750, now they admit 1050. They also have received like 2000 less applications and probably received even less this cycle. Whether the more acceptances come from FR or through administrative review is what we dont know.

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Re: UC Berkeley c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014)

Postby love4life29 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:55 pm

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Re: UC Berkeley c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014)

Postby China Spy » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:57 pm

love4life29 wrote:Hmmm so I'm >75th both GPA and LSAT, UR 1/21. Should I be happy or sad if I go to FR?


Ppl with your numbers have been dinged before going to FR. Be grateful if you make it into FR.

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Re: UC Berkeley c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014)

Postby Cocoblues » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:05 pm

China Spy wrote:
Cocoblues wrote:
China Spy wrote:
Cuz if you are admitted without being placed under FR, at the very least you should feel special. It would be comparable to just getting a JS2.


I wonder what percentage of admits gets accepted without going through FR. Are there any stats about this?


I went back to the original link, and found an answer...

"I admit roughly 550 people through what I call the administrative review process, and the admissions committee (the faculty committee) admits about another 200 or so. So, we end up admitting about 700 to 750 people"

So, roughly 2/3 of the admits are accepted without going through FR.

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Re: UC Berkeley c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014)

Postby omzster67 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:07 pm

Cocoblues wrote:
China Spy wrote:
Cocoblues wrote:
China Spy wrote:
Cuz if you are admitted without being placed under FR, at the very least you should feel special. It would be comparable to just getting a JS2.


I wonder what percentage of admits gets accepted without going through FR. Are there any stats about this?


I went back to the original link, and found an answer...

"I admit roughly 550 people through what I call the administrative review process, and the admissions committee (the faculty committee) admits about another 200 or so. So, we end up admitting about 700 to 750 people"

So, roughly 2/3 of the admits are accepted without going through FR.


It might be important to note that this interview with Dean Tom was published in 2006

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Re: UC Berkeley c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014)

Postby China Spy » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:08 pm

Cocoblues wrote:
China Spy wrote:
Cocoblues wrote:
China Spy wrote:
Cuz if you are admitted without being placed under FR, at the very least you should feel special. It would be comparable to just getting a JS2.


I wonder what percentage of admits gets accepted without going through FR. Are there any stats about this?


I went back to the original link, and found an answer...

"I admit roughly 550 people through what I call the administrative review process, and the admissions committee (the faculty committee) admits about another 200 or so. So, we end up admitting about 700 to 750 people"

So, roughly 2/3 of the admits are accepted without going through FR.


LOL at my RC fail.

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Re: UC Berkeley c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014)

Postby Percival Jenkins » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:12 pm

omzster67 wrote:It might be important to note that this interview with Dean Tom was published in 2006

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Re: UC Berkeley c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014)

Postby Cocoblues » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:13 pm

nick1 wrote:
omzster67 wrote:It might be important to note that this interview with Dean Tom was published in 2006


Yeah...That changes things.

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Re: UC Berkeley c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014)

Postby Pishee77 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:17 pm

nick1 wrote:
omzster67 wrote:It might be important to note that this interview with Dean Tom was published in 2006

Can we ask for an update? Loll




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