Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

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Where are you in the Harvard application process?

I'm applying next year, just reading this thread to prepare
38
12%
Applying this year, I got an extension on my application
1
0%
I applied and haven't gotten a JS1 yet
64
20%
I applied and got a JS1, but haven't had it yet.
7
2%
I had my JS1 but I'm waiting for a magical phone call
43
13%
Already had my JS2, just here to help
62
19%
Waitlisted
61
19%
Dinged D:
49
15%
 
Total votes: 325

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby Quest4Knowledge » Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:57 pm

Okay so I doubt this is representative of the greater population, but on LSN for 12-13:

Of the 238 reported with an LSAT of 170+, 177 had a GPA >3.65, and 61 had a GPA <3.65.

61/238= ~25%

~25% of 170+ LSAT scorers had a GPA <3.65.

(I know this is super simple, if I'm making an erroneous assumption please let me know)

ETA: If we change that GPA cutoff to 3.7 (HLS's 'floor'), it becomes ~30%.

ETAx2: I'm foolish. These numbers are from people who APPLIED to HLS, not all 170+ LSAT takers. So they must have thought they had a GPA reasonable enough for Harvard, and people with much lower GPAs but high LSAT's wouldn't even be included in this sample. The % I came up with is absolutely not reliable. I don't have the data available for all of LSN last year right now though, but will find it later.

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby IrishJew » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:16 pm

Pneumonia wrote:
IrishJew wrote:
Pneumonia wrote:there aren't even a thousand that score 175+

If I recall correctly it was like 330 of them last year and 350 of them this year.


170 is 97.4th percentile (source: http://www.alphascore.com/resources/lsa ... onversion/).

175 is 99.4th percentile.

Given that 112K LSATs were taken last year, there were just about 3000 170+ scores. A 1 percent increase is about 30 more people. Similarly, there should have been 750 175+, and a 6% gain would be about 45 people. All this is a rough approximation, of course.

Remember also, though, that the total number of LSATs is also dropping, so a 1% increase is a big deal proportionately speaking (I mean if the whole stockmarket is tanking and your shares in XYZ inc are "only" up one percent, you substantially outperformed the market).


(maybe headed for about 110 LSATs this year) just under 3000 people score about 170. A


yeah all i know is that the data Spivey tweeted indicated that it was closer to 350. Don't forget multiple test takers. Also, the percentiles have changed a bit since 2007-2010 which is what is represented on the chart you referenced.


Yeah, both of those are really good points and TBH I don't have time to sort those out. I just meant it as a rough approximation. Take with a whole lot of salt :)

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Postby NoDayButToday » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:31 pm

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby wealtheow » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:33 pm

NoDayButToday wrote:
gobears!! wrote:
riverwater wrote:In the event that I'm waitlisted and not rejected, would Harvard accept an additional letter of recommendation? Wondering if I should start looking for someone...


I would look for one in case. If a professor sends and email with a letter attached on your behalf saying that I heard that so and so is waitlisted and this is why I think that you should take them, it would look good.



I would look just in case, but definitely wait for their instructions before having the recommender send. Don't know about HLS, but some schools say "you do not need to submit additional letters of recommendation," which I think is a more polite way of saying "we don't want you to submit additional letters of recommendation."


this. some schools do seem to actively discourage it.
you're jumping the gun here. you can always ask them personally in the event that you do get a w/l, and i'm sure they'll be forthcoming about their feelings.
alternatively, you could ask your recommender to write as though the letter was entirely unsolicited. that might still piss them off, though, haha.

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby drawstring » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:34 pm

NoDayButToday wrote:
gobears!! wrote:
riverwater wrote:In the event that I'm waitlisted and not rejected, would Harvard accept an additional letter of recommendation? Wondering if I should start looking for someone...


I would look for one in case. If a professor sends and email with a letter attached on your behalf saying that I heard that so and so is waitlisted and this is why I think that you should take them, it would look good.



I would look just in case, but definitely wait for their instructions before having the recommender send. Don't know about HLS, but some schools say "you do not need to submit additional letters of recommendation," which I think is a more polite way of saying "we don't want you to submit additional letters of recommendation."


Yep.

"Additional letters of recommendation are not necessary."

https://blogs.law.harvard.edu/admissions/2014/01/20/waiting-is-the-hardest-part/

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby drawstring » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:40 pm

It sort of seems like a hint to me that they don't want them, especially given what they say about new grades, awards, and jobs.

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby rseaney » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:47 pm

drawstring wrote:It sort of seems like a hint to me that they don't want them, especially given what they say about new grades, awards, and jobs.


+1
i think i know the answer, but "awards" does not include scholarship offers from other law schools, i presume? I just want H to know they should love me too haha

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby Nonconsecutive » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:51 pm

drawstring wrote:It sort of seems like a hint to me that they don't want them, especially given what they say about new grades, awards, and jobs.


This is how I read it as well.

rseaney wrote:
drawstring wrote:It sort of seems like a hint to me that they don't want them, especially given what they say about new grades, awards, and jobs.


+1
i think i know the answer, but "awards" does not include scholarship offers from other law schools, i presume? I just want H to know they should love me too haha


And nope, those aren't the kinds of awards they are referring to, haha.

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby mirroroferised7 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:59 pm

So.... was it a BAD idea to send an LOCI with my updated LSAT if they haven't emailed me since early November, and I haven't emailed them?

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby bhs12 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 4:01 pm

mirroroferised7 wrote:So.... was it a BAD idea to send an LOCI with my updated LSAT if they haven't emailed me since early November, and I haven't emailed them?


How could information about a new score (assuming it was better) be detrimental to your application?

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Postby NoDayButToday » Mon Mar 03, 2014 4:03 pm

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby mirroroferised7 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 4:15 pm

bhs12 wrote:
mirroroferised7 wrote:So.... was it a BAD idea to send an LOCI with my updated LSAT if they haven't emailed me since early November, and I haven't emailed them?


How could information about a new score (assuming it was better) be detrimental to your application?


I guess, knowing that LSAC would directly send them the score, I am worried I would be bothering/annoying them.

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby fivestarfolds » Mon Mar 03, 2014 4:17 pm

NoDayButToday wrote:
mirroroferised7 wrote:So.... was it a BAD idea to send an LOCI with my updated LSAT if they haven't emailed me since early November, and I haven't emailed them?


No, I think that was a good idea.

I would love a really good excuse to send them a LOCI.

My LOCI:

Dear Harvard,
I still think you're awesome because you are still awesome. I'm sorry if that didn't come through in my application or interview.

Sincerely,
Me

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby bbkk » Mon Mar 03, 2014 4:22 pm

It's so quiet today. I'm bored at work.

JS:

Image

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby bhs12 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 4:26 pm

mirroroferised7 wrote:
bhs12 wrote:
mirroroferised7 wrote:So.... was it a BAD idea to send an LOCI with my updated LSAT if they haven't emailed me since early November, and I haven't emailed them?


How could information about a new score (assuming it was better) be detrimental to your application?


I guess, knowing that LSAC would directly send them the score, I am worried I would be bothering/annoying them.



I figured that was your concern (and I completely understand it). With that said, given its determinative power in this process, ensuring that they're aware of an LSAT score improvement is worth the very small risk of annoyance. Also, it's perfectly reasonable, in my opinion anyways, to be proactive— particularly at this point in the cycle.

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby bhs12 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 4:31 pm

[quote="bbkk"]It's so quiet today. I'm bored at work.

JS:

[img]http://www.imagesbuddy.com/images/43/2013/06/waiting-for-your-call-please-call-me-teddy-bear-graphic.jpg[/img][/quote]


Call me* maybe?

*or email me with a JS1 request, as it were

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby OMAR_COMIN_YO » Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:09 pm

So... I guess nothing is happening today. Cool then.

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby IrishJew » Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:00 pm

mirroroferised7 wrote:
bhs12 wrote:
mirroroferised7 wrote:So.... was it a BAD idea to send an LOCI with my updated LSAT if they haven't emailed me since early November, and I haven't emailed them?


How could information about a new score (assuming it was better) be detrimental to your application?


I guess, knowing that LSAC would directly send them the score, I am worried I would be bothering/annoying them.


I kind of agree with you on that one. I've never worked in an admissions office, but there was a Spivey post recently that said AdComs get tons of stuff and you don't want to piss them off. I can't tell you what to do, but if it were me and I really wanted to send something I'd probably keep to a SUPER short e-mail kissing a little Boston behind and reminding them of your score.
"Dear Harvard: Thank you so much for everything you do to review our applications thoroughly. As the admissions cycle winds down and I consider my options, Harvard remains my top choice because BLAH. I am sure LSAC has sent you my improved LSAT score. I hope the committee will evaluate this favorably when reviewing my application" or whatever.

But I think if you have something really awesome to add to your app, that might change things. "Since submitting my application I have become the dean of Yale law school and cured cancer."

Just my two cents.

ETA Here's the spivey post http://spiveyconsulting.com/blog/timing ... nd-timing/

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby Cocoblues » Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:21 pm

IrishJew wrote:
mirroroferised7 wrote:
bhs12 wrote:
mirroroferised7 wrote:So.... was it a BAD idea to send an LOCI with my updated LSAT if they haven't emailed me since early November, and I haven't emailed them?


How could information about a new score (assuming it was better) be detrimental to your application?


I guess, knowing that LSAC would directly send them the score, I am worried I would be bothering/annoying them.


I kind of agree with you on that one. I've never worked in an admissions office, but there was a Spivey post recently that said AdComs get tons of stuff and you don't want to piss them off. I can't tell you what to do, but if it were me and I really wanted to send something I'd probably keep to a SUPER short e-mail kissing a little Boston behind and reminding them of your score.
"Dear Harvard: Thank you so much for everything you do to review our applications thoroughly. As the admissions cycle winds down and I consider my options, Harvard remains my top choice because BLAH. I am sure LSAC has sent you my improved LSAT score. I hope the committee will evaluate this favorably when reviewing my application" or whatever.

But I think if you have something really awesome to add to your app, that might change things. "Since submitting my application I have become the dean of Yale law school and cured cancer."

Just my two cents.

ETA Here's the spivey post http://spiveyconsulting.com/blog/timing ... nd-timing/


:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby mirroroferised7 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:42 pm

IrishJew wrote:
mirroroferised7 wrote:
bhs12 wrote:
How could information about a new score (assuming it was better) be detrimental to your application?


I guess, knowing that LSAC would directly send them the score, I am worried I would be bothering/annoying them.


I kind of agree with you on that one. I've never worked in an admissions office, but there was a Spivey post recently that said AdComs get tons of stuff and you don't want to piss them off. I can't tell you what to do, but if it were me and I really wanted to send something I'd probably keep to a SUPER short e-mail kissing a little Boston behind and reminding them of your score.
"Dear Harvard: Thank you so much for everything you do to review our applications thoroughly. As the admissions cycle winds down and I consider my options, Harvard remains my top choice because BLAH. I am sure LSAC has sent you my improved LSAT score. I hope the committee will evaluate this favorably when reviewing my application" or whatever.

But I think if you have something really awesome to add to your app, that might change things. "Since submitting my application I have become the dean of Yale law school and cured cancer."

Just my two cents.

ETA Here's the spivey post http://spiveyconsulting.com/blog/timing ... nd-timing/


Thanks! I had read the post. BUT I did turn the letter into a more fully-developed LOCI. I highlighted my super-PI-heavy npo job. Also, kissed MAJOR ass. MAJOR. MAJOR ass.

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby lawschool22 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:46 pm

mirroroferised7 wrote:
IrishJew wrote:
mirroroferised7 wrote:
bhs12 wrote:
How could information about a new score (assuming it was better) be detrimental to your application?


I guess, knowing that LSAC would directly send them the score, I am worried I would be bothering/annoying them.


I kind of agree with you on that one. I've never worked in an admissions office, but there was a Spivey post recently that said AdComs get tons of stuff and you don't want to piss them off. I can't tell you what to do, but if it were me and I really wanted to send something I'd probably keep to a SUPER short e-mail kissing a little Boston behind and reminding them of your score.
"Dear Harvard: Thank you so much for everything you do to review our applications thoroughly. As the admissions cycle winds down and I consider my options, Harvard remains my top choice because BLAH. I am sure LSAC has sent you my improved LSAT score. I hope the committee will evaluate this favorably when reviewing my application" or whatever.

But I think if you have something really awesome to add to your app, that might change things. "Since submitting my application I have become the dean of Yale law school and cured cancer."

Just my two cents.

ETA Here's the spivey post http://spiveyconsulting.com/blog/timing ... nd-timing/


Thanks! I had read the post. BUT I did turn the letter into a more fully-developed LOCI. I highlighted my super-PI-heavy npo job. Also, kissed MAJOR ass. MAJOR. MAJOR ass.


I will be anxious to see if this works out, because it's almost in direct opposition to Spivey's advice :lol:

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby Leo » Mon Mar 03, 2014 7:02 pm

Mirror, aren't you worried about outing yourself?

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby Chooch51 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 7:08 pm

Leo wrote:Mirror, aren't you worried about outing yourself?


+1




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