Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Share Your Experiences, Read About Other Experiences. Please keep posts organized by school and expected year of graduation.

Where are you in the Harvard application process?

I'm applying next year, just reading this thread to prepare
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12%
Applying this year, I got an extension on my application
1
0%
I applied and haven't gotten a JS1 yet
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20%
I applied and got a JS1, but haven't had it yet.
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2%
I had my JS1 but I'm waiting for a magical phone call
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13%
Already had my JS2, just here to help
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19%
Waitlisted
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19%
Dinged D:
49
15%
 
Total votes: 325

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby blckwsl » Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:41 am

HorseThief wrote:
OnaFets wrote:For example almost everyone I have read about, myself included, that has gotten a JS2 has talked in their interview about a professor that they wish to study under. In addition they probably talked about some of their work which interested them and why. This reoccurring theme is helpful for future applicants to know. I'm sure there are many others that will appear if people started focusing their energy on other variables rather than just numbers.


Oh hai new post. I didn't talk about professors at all, and thank goodness because I don't know any of the professors by name. In my PS, I mentioned clinics that I wanted to work with, so we talked about that for a bit.


I also did not talk about professors at my js1. We actually didn't discuss Harvard all that much, just the basic it's a good school kind of thing.

I'm actually below median for GPA and at median for LSAT, but I have 1 year WE in banking/finance (I think that helped). I also had a pretty good personal statement. Hope this helps future applicants!

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby controo » Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:22 am

Hey guys,

Since I got my JS2 last week, I thought I would post my stats.

LSAT over median, GPA over 75. Non-URM. Weak softs.

I also didn't talk about professors in my interview. I wanted to, but professors were pretty irrelevant to the questions I was asked (no "Why Harvard?" or anything like that), so I didn't. I did mention specific clinics though, and my interviewer seemed pleased at that.

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby Quest4Knowledge » Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:39 am

For those JS2's that DID talk about a specific professor, how did you bring him/her up?

The only question I can think of where it might fit would be Why Harvard, but even then it sounds a bit forced or disingenuous. Maybe in a question you ask the interviewer 'Is it possible to be a RA for Professor X?' or something similar, but again I'm not sure.

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby TripTrip » Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:53 am

Quest4Knowledge wrote:'Is it possible to be a RA for Professor X?'

I can answer that for anyone who wants: "it depends."

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby xmbeckham » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:07 pm

PM if interested in JS1 details.
Last edited by xmbeckham on Tue Feb 25, 2014 1:58 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby hwannabe1234 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:14 pm

Does anyone know when the acceptance packet comes in mail?

got js 2 last thursday but still waiting for the packet

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby selden » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:25 pm

xmbeckham wrote:
PM if interested in the details.


Just so you know, you still gave enough info for Harvard to identify you. Since you made a comment about hiding details, maybe you want to edit that post? Unless you don't care, in which case, sorry!

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby rseaney » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:39 pm

xmbeckham wrote:Just had an interview with Lauren Gold. I don't know how should I feel about it. It only lasted for 13 mins and she spoke quickly (or hastily), which is the polar opposite of my slow speaking. She also gave pretty short answers (sometimes a word or two) to my questions. Is this normal?

PM if interested in the details.


Hmm that does seem to be outside the norm -- its decidedly different from my interview at least. That said, I wouldn't interpret it as necessarily bad. As said above^ you impressed them already with your app haha perhaps they already know they're going to take you

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby lawschool22 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:40 pm

hwannabe1234 wrote:Does anyone know when the acceptance packet comes in mail?

got js 2 last thursday but still waiting for the packet


Wrong thread.

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby barrelofmonkeys » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:42 pm

lawschool22 wrote:
hwannabe1234 wrote:Does anyone know when the acceptance packet comes in mail?

got js 2 last thursday but still waiting for the packet


Wrong thread.


:lol:

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby IrishJew » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:45 pm

lawschool22 wrote:
hwannabe1234 wrote:Does anyone know when the acceptance packet comes in mail?

got js 2 last thursday but still waiting for the packet


Wrong thread.


Well he IS an applicant...

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby xmbeckham » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:47 pm

selden wrote:
xmbeckham wrote:
PM if interested in the details.


Just so you know, you still gave enough info for Harvard to identify you. Since you made a comment about hiding details, maybe you want to edit that post? Unless you don't care, in which case, sorry!


Sorry, kind of new here. Could you explain? What are the bad outcomes if they identify me?

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby hwannabe1234 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:51 pm

lawschool22 wrote:
hwannabe1234 wrote:Does anyone know when the acceptance packet comes in mail?

got js 2 last thursday but still waiting for the packet


Wrong thread.

??

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby SplitMyPants » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:57 pm

hwannabe1234 wrote:
lawschool22 wrote:
hwannabe1234 wrote:Does anyone know when the acceptance packet comes in mail?

got js 2 last thursday but still waiting for the packet


Wrong thread.

??


Try here.

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby lawschool22 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:57 pm

hwannabe1234 wrote:
lawschool22 wrote:
hwannabe1234 wrote:Does anyone know when the acceptance packet comes in mail?

got js 2 last thursday but still waiting for the packet


Wrong thread.

??


http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=220470

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby alllaweverything » Tue Feb 25, 2014 1:32 pm

Quest4Knowledge wrote:For those JS2's that DID talk about a specific professor, how did you bring him/her up?

The only question I can think of where it might fit would be Why Harvard, but even then it sounds a bit forced or disingenuous. Maybe in a question you ask the interviewer 'Is it possible to be a RA for Professor X?' or something similar, but again I'm not sure.


yeah, i weaved in prof names when i asked about RA opportunities, but i don't know if i have much room to discuss that sort of approach's success (i'm still at js1.5).

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby IrishJew » Tue Feb 25, 2014 1:44 pm

xmbeckham wrote:
selden wrote:
xmbeckham wrote:
PM if interested in the details.


Just so you know, you still gave enough info for Harvard to identify you. Since you made a comment about hiding details, maybe you want to edit that post? Unless you don't care, in which case, sorry!


Sorry, kind of new here. Could you explain? What are the bad outcomes if they identify me?


This is an excellent question. Common wisdom is that at least some AdCom people read TLS at least occasionally (wouldn't you?). The concern is that they might see a less flattering side of you here. As an obvious example, if you go on a Mel Gibson meets Alec Baldwin style rant about the Jews, N-words, and fa**ots at Harvard and they can identify you, that will not bode well for your app. Obviously you're not going to say something like that, but something more innocuous might rub them the wrong way. What if you say "I interviewed with John Smith and I feel like we didn't really click and he missed a few things I said." Who knows how John Smith would take that if he comes on here?

Will posting your stats or how your interview went jeopardize your app? Maybe, maybe not. People have reported being "outed" by an AdCom in the past (IIR someone got scolded by a school for posting information about their aid package or something and the school tried to rescind their offer). I suspect most TLSers don't want to take that kind of chance even if it's remote. After all, when you submit an app it's a carefully constructed view of you in the best possible light; why give them the chance to see you "at ease" on TLS?

As for your specific post, each interviewer one person at a time, so if you post "I just interviewed with John Smith" at 5:30 PM it makes you easy to identify. I don't think anyone is saying your post was particularly dumb or anything, just giving you a friendly heads-up that if you care about your TLS anonymity your post may have been a bit too specific.

HTH, and other TLSers feel free to chime in if you think I'm off base.

ETA thought I should clarify. Even if your one post is perfectly fine but identifies you, they can use that to ferret out your identity for a post they don't like. E.g. if you post "May name is Bob Dole, my social is 345-21-0098 and I love Harvard more than anything" today and then tomorrow you post something they don't like tomorrow, it's easy to put the two posts together.

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby xmbeckham » Tue Feb 25, 2014 2:00 pm

IrishJew wrote:
xmbeckham wrote:
selden wrote:
xmbeckham wrote:
PM if interested in the details.


Just so you know, you still gave enough info for Harvard to identify you. Since you made a comment about hiding details, maybe you want to edit that post? Unless you don't care, in which case, sorry!


Sorry, kind of new here. Could you explain? What are the bad outcomes if they identify me?


This is an excellent question. Common wisdom is that at least some AdCom people read TLS at least occasionally (wouldn't you?). The concern is that they might see a less flattering side of you here. As an obvious example, if you go on a Mel Gibson meets Alec Baldwin style rant about the Jews, N-words, and fa**ots at Harvard and they can identify you, that will not bode well for your app. Obviously you're not going to say something like that, but something more innocuous might rub them the wrong way. What if you say "I interviewed with John Smith and I feel like we didn't really click and he missed a few things I said." Who knows how John Smith would take that if he comes on here?

Will posting your stats or how your interview went jeopardize your app? Maybe, maybe not. People have reported being "outed" by an AdCom in the past (IIR someone got scolded by a school for posting information about their aid package or something and the school tried to rescind their offer). I suspect most TLSers don't want to take that kind of chance even if it's remote. After all, when you submit an app it's a carefully constructed view of you in the best possible light; why give them the chance to see you "at ease" on TLS?

As for your specific post, each interviewer one person at a time, so if you post "I just interviewed with John Smith" at 5:30 PM it makes you easy to identify. I don't think anyone is saying your post was particularly dumb or anything, just giving you a friendly heads-up that if you care about your TLS anonymity your post may have been a bit too specific.

HTH, and other TLSers feel free to chime in if you think I'm off base.

ETA thought I should clarify. Even if your one post is perfectly fine but identifies you, they can use that to ferret out your identity for a post they don't like. E.g. if you post "May name is Bob Dole, my social is 345-21-0098 and I love Harvard more than anything" today and then tomorrow you post something they don't like tomorrow, it's easy to put the two posts together.

Really appreciate such a thorough explanation!

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby IrishJew » Tue Feb 25, 2014 2:03 pm

alllaweverything wrote:
Quest4Knowledge wrote:For those JS2's that DID talk about a specific professor, how did you bring him/her up?

The only question I can think of where it might fit would be Why Harvard, but even then it sounds a bit forced or disingenuous. Maybe in a question you ask the interviewer 'Is it possible to be a RA for Professor X?' or something similar, but again I'm not sure.


yeah, i weaved in prof names when i asked about RA opportunities, but i don't know if i have much room to discuss that sort of approach's success (i'm still at js1.5).


I think you can legitimately mention profs in "Why Harvard" (which I didn't get asked) or when you ask about the school if you're using it to make a relevant point without sounding stupid. Here are three examples from my app:
1. When talking about Why Harvard (they didn't ask but I threw it onto "why law school") I said something like "one reason I'm especially interested in Harvard is because you have people like professor X who are awesome academics as well as people like Professor Y who have real world experience" (and that's true, IMO Chicago and Harvard are head-and-shoulders above the rest for that, so not disingenuous at all).
2. When they asked about my interests or goals I said "I'd really love to combine A and B, like what Professor Z does but with more of a focus on Professor Q's area of research."
3. When asking a question I said something like "Harvard has world-famous professors like Professor Z, who is amazing, but he always seems to be meeting with the president, heading an international task force, or whatever. So how accessible is someone like that to students?"

I doubt I'm the first person to come up with these kinds of things, and they are probably more detailed than necessary But as Asha (Yale's admission dean) mentioned somewhere else, you don't need to "Stand out," you just need to be "solid." I think if you show you've done some homework, you're legitimately interested in Harvard, and you have some sense of the kind of thing you may want to study and who at Harvard does it then you'll have that base covered.

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby dreamerchic19 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 3:39 pm

is it rare that you're accepted without having to interview?

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby drawstring » Tue Feb 25, 2014 3:41 pm

dreamerchic19 wrote:is it rare that you're accepted without having to interview?


Doesn't happen anymore.

eta: by that I mean an interview is a requirement for admission

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby ShrimpToastMasters » Tue Feb 25, 2014 7:02 pm

JS PLEEZ CALL!!

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby tlsapp2017 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:57 pm

ShrimpToastMasters wrote:JS PLEEZ CALL!!


+1

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby LawSchoolOrNah » Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:39 pm

Quick question for anyone that can answer this.

Does how fast you go from complete -> interview have any sort of positive relationship?

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby cesium » Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:02 pm

LawSchoolOrNah wrote:Quick question for anyone that can answer this.

Does how fast you go from complete -> interview have any sort of positive relationship?


Yes. Sometime last week on this thread, someone posted the average wait times from complete to interview request, and it was definitely correlated with GPA and LSAT score (better numbers = earlier). Here's the post from Tuesday, Feb 18:

Leo wrote:Okay friends, even more useless stats!

Here is just a general breakdown of the TLS applicant pool:

    GPA<3.88 / LSAT<173 = 26%
    GPA<3.88 / LSAT>=173 = 33%
    GPA>=3.88 / LSAT<173 = 18%
    GPA>=3.88 / LSAT>=173 = 23%

As you can see, pretty even distribution.

For each group, here is the percentage that have received JS1s so far (eg, 34% of the applicants represented on TLS who are below both medians have received JS1s):

    GPA<3.88 / LSAT<173 = 34%
    GPA<3.88 / LSAT>=173 = 62%
    GPA>=3.88 / LSAT<173 = 55%
    GPA>=3.88 / LSAT>=173 = 77%

The average wait time, in days from complete, for those JS1s by group is as follows:

    GPA<3.88 / LSAT<173 = 30.2
    GPA<3.88 / LSAT>=173 = 17.1
    GPA>=3.88 / LSAT<173 = 15.1
    GPA>=3.88 / LSAT>=173 = 11.0

As expected, those with better stats are receiving their JS1 requests much earlier.

Here is the percentage of those who had JS1s that have been accepted (eg, of the 22 applicants who are below both medians and had JS1s, 7 (32%) have been accepted):

    GPA<3.88 / LSAT<173 = 32%
    GPA<3.88 / LSAT>=173 = 52%
    GPA>=3.88 / LSAT<173 = 50%
    GPA>=3.88 / LSAT>=173 = 73%

The average wait time, in days after JS1, for those acceptances by group is as follows:

    GPA<3.88 / LSAT<173 = 30.0
    GPA<3.88 / LSAT>=173 = 23.8
    GPA>=3.88 / LSAT<173 = 25.2
    GPA>=3.88 / LSAT>=173 = 24.1

Enjoy!




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