Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Share Your Experiences, Read About Other Experiences. Please keep posts organized by school and expected year of graduation.

Where are you in the Harvard application process?

I'm applying next year, just reading this thread to prepare
38
12%
Applying this year, I got an extension on my application
1
0%
I applied and haven't gotten a JS1 yet
64
20%
I applied and got a JS1, but haven't had it yet.
7
2%
I had my JS1 but I'm waiting for a magical phone call
43
13%
Already had my JS2, just here to help
62
19%
Waitlisted
61
19%
Dinged D:
49
15%
 
Total votes: 325

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby EquallyWrong » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:14 pm

lawapp2014 wrote:Does being interviewed by JS mean anything, or is the interviewer randomly assigned?

If it did mean something it would also mean they're doing more work and making things more complicated for themselves...so Occam's razor says no. They're all professionals trying to make a professional judgement and ask largely the same questions, I hear.

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby hwannabe1234 » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:50 pm

EquallyWrong wrote:
lawapp2014 wrote:Does being interviewed by JS mean anything, or is the interviewer randomly assigned?

If it did mean something it would also mean they're doing more work and making things more complicated for themselves...so Occam's razor says no. They're all professionals trying to make a professional judgement and ask largely the same questions, I hear.

YOU choose schedule, not they.

SO that answers your question.

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby lawschoolwannabee123 » Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:58 pm

When are they going to start accepting we at/slightly below medians, non-URM people? WAHHH! they have to take some of us? right? RIGHT?

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby pseu » Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:10 pm

Everyone, I know the waiting has been hard, but I have great news:

http://i.imgur.com/O0duLeN.png

(apparently I'm not cool enough to embed images :P)

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby Nonconsecutive » Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:40 pm

pseu wrote:Everyone, I know the waiting has been hard, but I have great news:

http://i.imgur.com/O0duLeN.png

(apparently I'm not cool enough to embed images :P)



An 8-Ball has been accurate in this very cycle.

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby anonanonanon123 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:23 am

Do K-JD applicants have a serious disadvantage when applying to HLS? Look what happened to this guy last year:

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/milesperhour

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby drawstring » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:25 am

I know that a number of K-JDs have gotten in (and with worse numbers than that guy), but I feel like it's a disadvantage.

Interesting that he got into Yale but was flat out rejected at Harvard about 15 days after his JS1.

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby kartelite » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:36 am

drawstring wrote:I know that a number of K-JDs have gotten in (and with worse numbers than that guy), but I feel like it's a disadvantage.

Interesting that he got into Yale but was flat out rejected at Harvard about 15 days after his JS1.


It is sort of interesting about Y/H since that doesn't happen too often, but it could have been a "fit" thing or an awesome 250 for Yale. Maybe the personal statement was about a desire to be an academic or to save orphans in Bolivia...or both recommenders were YLS alums. I don't think it's good to try to draw too many inferences based on numbers alone.

And while some work experience is obviously seen as a plus, 30+ applicants like myself will probably have a harder time justifying Why Law School. And are we held to a higher standard on LSAT? Obviously your writing/logical reasoning skills increase during grad school and while being engaged in a challenging work environment.

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby anonanonanon123 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:39 am

drawstring wrote:I know that a number of K-JDs have gotten in (and with worse numbers than that guy), but I feel like it's a disadvantage.

Interesting that he got into Yale but was flat out rejected at Harvard about 15 days after his JS1.


I was looking at that too. His numbers are similar to mine and I'm also a K-JD.
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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby drawstring » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:00 am

Similar numbers and K-JD here too.

He seems pretty exceptional. For the most part it seems like a large majority of people that get JS1s at least make it to the waitlist, and a 15 day turnaround from JS1 to rejection is very rare for someone above both medians. In the past candidates like us who interviewed fairly early but hadn't heard back at this point were held, and I believe late March is when held candidates started getting in. There are also a number of numerically strong applicants who get in off the waitlist each year. Keep in mind that the last couple of waves have included a small number of Oct/Nov JS1s, so they have at least started looking back, even if most of their re-reading happens at a later point in the cycle.

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby anonanonanon123 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:06 am

drawstring wrote:Similar numbers and K-JD here too.

He seems pretty exceptional. For the most part it seems like a high majority of people that get JS1s make it to the waitlist, and a 15 day turnaround from JS1 to rejection is very rare for someone above both medians. In the past candidates like us who interviewed fairly early but hadn't heard back at this point were held, and I believe late March is when held candidates started getting in. There are also a number of numerically strong applicants who get in off the waitlist each year. Keep in mind that the last couple of waves have included a small number of Oct/Nov JS1s, so they have at least started looking back, even if most of their re-reading happens at a later point in the cycle.


So far, It looks like everyone who got a JS2 with numbers similar to ours (or worse) had a decent amount of work experience. Maybe that might be what is holding us back at this point. Have you seen many K-JDs yet?

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby drawstring » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:12 am

I know there are some in this thread that have gotten in with similar numbers.

That said, I believe scoobers posted a chart suggesting that K-JDs within a certain numbers range were having more trouble getting in than people with WE in the same range. A current HLS student also said that they're trying to limit the number of K-JDs they admit, and a program was recently created for Harvard undergrads that allows them to apply but defer for two years to gain WE. So it seems like WE is being stressed and that probably hurts us as K-JDs, especially since our numbers are good but not amazing.

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby midwest17 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:39 am

drawstring wrote:I know that a number of K-JDs have gotten in (and with worse numbers than that guy), but I feel like it's a disadvantage.

Interesting that he got into Yale but was flat out rejected at Harvard about 15 days after his JS1.


It's possible that he completely bombed his JS1.

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby TripTrip » Wed Feb 05, 2014 8:33 am

FWIW, Dean Minow told the AFA that she has been actively trying to shift the admissions focus away from K-JDs and admit more students with work experience. That's apparently why they're up to 75% with at least one year out.

But then, she was talking to the AFA.

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby 04102014 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 10:16 am

TripTrip wrote:FWIW, Dean Minow told the AFA that she has been actively trying to shift the admissions focus away from K-JDs and admit more students with work experience. That's apparently why they're up to 75% with at least one year out.

But then, she was talking to the AFA.


At the info session I attended, the Associate Director of Admissions explicitly stated that being K-JD would put you at a disadvantage when compared against applicants who have work experience.

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby NoDayButToday » Wed Feb 05, 2014 10:21 am

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby andapieceoftoast » Wed Feb 05, 2014 10:21 am

ohpobrecito wrote:
TripTrip wrote:FWIW, Dean Minow told the AFA that she has been actively trying to shift the admissions focus away from K-JDs and admit more students with work experience. That's apparently why they're up to 75% with at least one year out.

But then, she was talking to the AFA.


At the info session I attended, the Associate Director of Admissions explicitly stated that being K-JD would put you at a disadvantage when compared against applicants who have work experience.


Hahahahah my app must have some glaring errors/weaknesses because I have some pretty good work experience and plenty of K-JDs have gotten in over me :D :D

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby NoDayButToday » Wed Feb 05, 2014 10:25 am

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby Theopliske8711 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 10:26 am

C'mon HLS, be a bro and send me that JS1.

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby Pau.C. » Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:59 am

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby NoDayButToday » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:05 pm

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby Theopliske8711 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:12 pm

Honestly, I don't mind it if it comes a bit later, since I am hoping to have my Northwestern interview before it for practice, and that is the 14th, but paranoia has got my nerves running.

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby residentemma » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:15 pm

drawstring wrote:Similar numbers and K-JD here too.

He seems pretty exceptional. For the most part it seems like a high majority of people that get JS1s make it to the waitlist, and a 15 day turnaround from JS1 to rejection is very rare for someone above both medians. In the past candidates like us who interviewed fairly early but hadn't heard back at this point were held, and I believe late March is when held candidates started getting in. There are also a number of numerically strong applicants who get in off the waitlist each year. Keep in mind that the last couple of waves have included a small number of Oct/Nov JS1s, so they have at least started looking back, even if most of their re-reading happens at a later point in the cycle.


Maybe he said something terribly inappropriate during his JS1...

I think that generally the JS1 has a limited positive effect on the admissions decision, it's 10 minutes over Skype vs. the last 4+ years of your life. However, people can weed themselves out with their JS1 if they say something blatantly unprofessional/negative. Do no harm, people.

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby Slytherpuff » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:39 pm

NoDayButToday wrote:
Pau.C. wrote:
Theopliske8711 wrote:C'mon HLS, be a bro and send me that JS1.

+1

+2

+1,000,000

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Re: Harvard, C/O 2017, Applicants Thread (2013-2014)

Postby rseaney » Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:15 pm

hwannabe1234 wrote:
EquallyWrong wrote:
lawapp2014 wrote:Does being interviewed by JS mean anything, or is the interviewer randomly assigned?

If it did mean something it would also mean they're doing more work and making things more complicated for themselves...so Occam's razor says no. They're all professionals trying to make a professional judgement and ask largely the same questions, I hear.

YOU choose schedule, not they.

SO that answers your question.



+1




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