deebanger wrote:first of all, (1)I have gone through the application process, so you are wrong to start off with. I have taken the lsat not once but two times, so again you are wrong. I will be taking the lsat for the third time coming june. I decided to wait another cycle and not aplly this cycle with my lsat sore of 169. I want to touch the 170 mark. (2)And fyi, Hastings gave me the same scholly they usually give for like 13k. I turned it down. As from a sheer numbers perspective, yes, I will say it Hastings is not worth it when almost 100 grads are unemployed. In the bay area alone, they are just below Standford/Berkeley/and Davis. Now them dropping to tier 2 staus makes them even more worse as they are tied with Pepperdine now which by the way is not even the third best law school in so cal. So, tell me your thoughts on why almost 100 grads from Hastings from the class of 2012 are unemployed from the class of 2012, instead of guessing how many times i have taken the lsat. Also, what are thoughts on Davis grad's having less unemployment compared to Hastings grads' even when adjusted for class size. Yes, The things i say about hasitngs are harsh, blunt, call it what ever you want. I could care less.
(3)And also stop having an inferiority complex, I get it Hasitngs in the bay area is obviously not as good as Stanford/Berk/ and Davis, but just because you have an inferiority complex you dont have to make Hastings look better than it is. It is what it is. The employment prospects suck if you are hastings grad. You have a job, congrats! but stop sugar coating things and misguiding naive people.
Your posts make so much more sense now. I've helpfully numbered the most revealing statements in your post so we can see what's fueling your bizarre hate-boner for UC Hastings.
We can see that you've gone through the application process, but didn't get in anywhere you wanted to (see statement (1) + the fact that you're applying again). Second, despite taking the LSAT twice, you still haven't gotten the score you wanted, and you probably blame your failure with respect to (1) on your LSAT scores noted in (2). You also received a financial aid offer from Hastings, but because it wasn't the amount you were looking for, you turned them down, clearly believing that your stats demanded a much larger scholarship (which is somewhat odd, as you couldn't get into a better school, see (1), yet think you deserve some massive scholarship). Now you want the world to know that you made the right decision, and anyone with a different perspective must have a "complex" (see (3)), because it would be difficult for you to accept that your experience is not universal.
This results in you having a skewed view of the world, as evinced by your claim that I'm "sugar coating things" when all I did was share my personal experience. You cannot point to anything I said that was untrue, nor have I ever hid anything about Hastings (I have repeatedly stated that top 15% is required for biglaw - seriously, check my post history...but be careful, the search function can be every bit as complicated as those Logic Games you still haven't quite mastered!).
I have a great job waiting for me when I graduate, doing exactly what I want to do; something I wouldn't have if I had taken your "advice" 3 years ago.
No one is forcing you to go to UC Hastings. Employment wise, Hastings has not been great for a large number of students. But for some of us, it's absolutely great, and it's not for you to tell us what does and does not work for us - especially when you haven't even begun to achieve your own goals.
Moonlight wrote:And yea by the way, does any law school offer more than full tuition meaning just the tuition itself? I didn't think any law schools covered expenses outside of tuition? 50K is way above Hasting's tuition so it seems odd he said that. Does Hastings give Book stipends btw? I ask because McGeorge gave me one so not sure if other law schools do as well.
Onemorelaw, I'd love to speak to you more about how you performed well at Hastings and such as you sound like you landed a Big Law job? We can PM if that's better for you on this subject. Thanks!
I know someone at Stanford who received a "fellowship" for her 2L year which functioned sort of like a stipend (it was larger than tuition, so there was cash left over), but she only received it 2L year, and then it went away for 3L because her income from a biglaw SA disqualified her. That's the only instance I've heard of a school offering something "more than full tuition." There are private grants that go above and beyond, but those are usually offered outside of the financial aid office.
I've never heard of a "book stipend" at Hastings. Usually the financial aid office will give you an estimate of how much a semester costs, including expenses (something like $30k, with $20k being tuition and $10k being "expenses"). Then you get your various grants, and they are subtracted from this total, and then the rest is made up in loans. So, calculated out it looks like:
$30k ($20k tuition + $10k expenses)
- $10k ($20k grant divided by 2 is $10k/semester)
Then they will get you $20k in loans, and on the day those disperse, you can go to the financial aid office and pick up a check for $10k which is a "refund" of any money (grant + loans) left over after tuition is covered. As a result, there is no "book stipend" but because the grant contributes to the "refund" which you can then use to cover expenses, the grant essentially goes towards all of your expenses, including books.
Beyond your standard grant for financial/academic reasons, you can get a few additional grants for purely academic reasons (there are scholarships for the top person in each section, the person in each section that wins the "class participation award" as determined by profs, the top 10 students in each class, etc.), but these are tied to academic achievements, not expenses (like books).
I'm always happy to talk about performance at Hastings (and yes, I'm doing biglaw), please feel free to ask any questions you have either here or in the other thread. If you're more comfortable with PMs, that's cool too, and feel free to shoot me one.