follywood wrote:ManoftheHour wrote:follywood wrote:But neither of us can deny that the administration is intentionally reducing their student body. USA Today, WSJ, and Above the Law reported it in May, 2012 (http://abovethelaw.com/2012/05/the-hastings-gambit/). Their recent reductions reflect this. I suppose that an intentional 20% reduction in class size translates, at least for me, into some increase in selectivity of the applicant pool. But I have no proof of this.
Of course, please correct me if I am flat-out wrong about anything. I don't want to mislead anybody, including myself.
No. Just no.
This is TTT reasoning, dawg:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... XZnc#gid=0
Hastings INCREASED their class size last year by 14 people while letting their LSAT 25th/50th/75th FALL about 3 points each (almost. Their 75th fell by only 2). Their MEDIAN is now under 160. The median LSAT for Hastings for the last entering class is 159.
ManoftheHour, I like that document. Thanks for sharing it. Also, you're right about the LSATs going down.
As for TTT reasoning, I don't know what that means. But, perhaps I haven't been clear about my sources and dates. Here are the numbers of the entering classes from the last three year at Hastings:
2011: 414 (source: http://www.uchastings.edu/about/consumer-info/docs/2011_UC_Hastings_Std509.pdf)
2012: 317 (source: http://www.uchastings.edu/about/consumer-info/docs/2012_aba-509.pdf)
2013: 333 (source: http://www.uchastings.edu/about/consumer-info/docs/UC_Hastings_Std509_2013.pdf)
In 2012, Hastings cut its admissions by about 23% and increased it by 4% in 2013. As far as I see it--and, please, correct me if I'm mistaken--that is about in line with the dean's goal, laid out in 2012 (and sourced above), of reducing the class sizes by 20%. If you don't think that is intentional, please explain why.
The median LSAT scores dropped. No doubt about it. Perhaps there is a correlation between the reduction in class size (-20ish%) and the tradition of admitting 20% of the incoming class through LEOP (source for LEOP proportion: http://www.uchastings.edu/academics/education/leop/apply/index.php)? What do you think?
Anyway, I don't mean to offend you or anyone else. I'm really trying to be reasonable and respectful. I just want to have an informed discussion. Although you may not be seriously considering this school, a lot of people are.
Here's a thread discussing the possible affect of the drop in admissions on employment.
What are your guys' thoughts on this? I mean, for example, if a school lands 200/400 (50%) in full-time JD required jobs and then cuts their class size to 300 students, there are two schools of thought on what might happen...
1) they continue to land 200 students full-time JD required job and therefore have stats of 200/300 (66%), or
2) They maintain or even diminish their "employment score" and therefore have stats of 150/300 (50%)
I personally would tend to think that the first scenario is more likely, however I am not as knowledgable about firm hiring mentality. I could definitely see why firms wouldn't want to hire students in the bottom 50%.