Dredd_2017 wrote:You better stay on TLS so I can panic send you PM's from time to time!
I would be offended if you didn't
Dredd_2017 wrote:If you're willing to answer I am curious why you transferred though, especially because getting into CLS and Chi means you absolutely had the grades to be a lock for biglaw. The only reason I could see would be clerking, although the increased tuition cost (As I assume transfers don't get scholarships?) would be pretty rough.
I'll try to be as informative as possible.
I want to be clear that I genuinely loved my time at WashU and leaving was a much harder decision than my peers seem to believe. The reason I decided to leave was partly because of a drop in class rank and the nature of WUSTL's OCI (i'm using the term OCI broadly to refer to all recruiting events).
(As you probably know, we have a pre-select system. Which is excellent if you're top 10%. HYSCCN have a lottery system)
As a WUSTL student u'll have an opportunity to apply to many top firms in the major markets and many smaller operations in the midwest. What you lack is all those firms in between. The main advantage of upgrading to UChi/CLS isn't that u get to see Cravath, it's that you gain an entire cohort of middle firms. At WUSTL the top 10-15% will have monopoly over the top firms by virtue of preselect. And the students who have some kind of ties to the midwest are generally okay as well, since the smaller firms prioritize ties over whether you were top third or top 25% or something. The kids who are bottom of the class are screwed no matter which non-HYSCCN they're at, so it's irrelevant here. The problem is all those kids between 10-15% and median who don't get pre-selected for top firms and don't have ties to midwest. They're in a strange deadzone where they're overqualified flight risks for WUSTL's foundational market (the midwest) but they're underqualified in comparison to T14 candidates and better-ranked classmates for the top firms in major markets.
Personally i think you're better off at WUSTL if you're top 10% than you would be transferring to HYSCCN. At UChi you get 50 bids with 45-55% yield rate for lottery screeners. At CLS you get 30 bids with roughly 50% yield rate. (This is according to the information that both CSO's gave me when i was admitted, i'm sure the yield fluctuates depending on how and where you bid). So as a UChi/CLS student you're looking at 15-25 interviews with firms who haven't actually evaluated you yet, so there's no real security other than having the opportunity to meet them.
At WUSTL if you're top 10%, you grade-on to Law Review, likely had dean's list both terms, and are Honors Scholars. My friend who is top 10% has over 25 PRESELECT
screeners and COUNTING
. This includes top Vault firms in NYC, DC, and Chicago. This is quantitatively better or equal to the number of screeners u'd get at UChi/CLS from their lottery. And it's qualitatively better because all those screeners are the result of firms looking at your application and determining that your credentials meet their requirements. So at WUSTL, a preselect screener is more like a mini-callback since you've already cleared the credential stage. The only real questions at that point are "Do we like you?" and "Do we have space for you?" If you end up top 10% and on substantial scholarship, not only should you stay, you'd actually be better off IMO. Unless you want California, then you should GTFO no matter what, we suck out there.
The problem is when you're not 10% and don't have ties to midwest (me). I dropped from 10% to 20% after the Spring term and missed law review. (I ruined my own chances at writing-on because I assumed I'd be grading-on and submitted shit submission LOL) I had some secondary honors like a CALI, some competition awards, etc... but nothing that would have given me a material boost in the hiring market over my top 10% peers, many of whom also have those same honors
Once my preselect invitations were out (didn't apply to Texas/west coast/atlanta, so all mine are out) I had an idea of what my prospects would be if i stayed. Ended with 1 invitation in Chicago, 2 in DC, 5 invitations and 3 alternates in NYC, and 2 CB's in my home market (from mass mailing). My Chicago screener was with a firm that i wouldn't be comfortable starting my career at due to shit they've been going through. Ultimately i decided that i had more to gain by leaving than by staying.
Regarding costs, my family agreed to cover enough of the cost to tip the scale. All this isn't to say that transferring is categorically the better decision under my circumstances. Perhaps I strike out completely at UChi's OCI. Perhaps I would have had very high offer-rate by staying at WUSTL. If I had maintained 10%, then I probably would have stayed after seeing the OCI mechanics at HYSCCN.
Feel free to PM me later on down the line if this is something that becomes relevant to you. For now, focus on dominating your 1L exams.
ETA: He is now at 29 interviews and counting.