WUSTL c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 Cycle)

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 Cycle)

Postby HeroGothamDeserves » Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:26 pm

Flagg

Short Answer: I don’t know.

Long Answer: I don’t know, but I’ll try and figure it out. This was the one class spring semester I did solid but not great in, but to be honest whether I had gotten a C or an A+, I’m not sure if I could have figured out exactly why it went that way. I know many other people feel quite differently, but I actually thought of all my 1L professors she was the most brilliant. She’s certainly got the credentials (top of her class at Berkley and clerked for the notorious RBG I believe) and if you listen to her speak you can really see (at least I think) some very serious gears turning on what is a very complex area of the law. The downside is that this can make trying to understand Con Law a bit like squeezing blood from a stone. I did pretty well on her midterm, which she wanted you to approach in an extremely specific way, so LISTEN TO HER on that front. My biggest difficulty was that I felt like the final was very different than the midterm and I struggled trying to put it together in the same fashion. As other people have said, it’s unclear how much (if at all) the midterm counts towards your final grade (she told our class 20%), but treat it like it does because if nothing else it’ll get you going on outlining. And that shit takes forever.

As far as class style, she jumps around a bit in how she does teaches which can through you off guard, but generally she’s not a big cold caller (although the downside is that it leads to a lot of gunners constantly raising their hands). She will sometimes do more of a lecture style and other times do more of a group type exercise which can get a bit grating. I’m a take-notes-on-everything kind of person, but she will generally put the particularly important things on the board so make sure you pay attention to those.

Like every Con Law student in the country you’ll want Chemerinsky’s supplement. I’m not sure if it actually helped me for studying but I found it pretty useful for helping to understand what I read the night before or for going over after class and she generally likes it. The only caveat is that she approaches the levels of scrutiny and associated issues (affirmative action, abortion) in a different fashion than he does, so you’ll need to be careful when using it. As with most supplements, you CANNOT rely on it too much.


Greenfield



Have you seen first scene in The Paper Chase? That’s pretty much this guy. Lives and breathes the life of a law school professor and has the ties to match. His class boils down to one thing: DO. THE. BRIEF. This is his only requirement. Tired? Do the brief. Drunk? Do the brief. Have a midterm for another class tomorrow? Do the brief. It really started to blow my mind come November when people were still showing up to class without having done the brief. If you don’t do it he will know. Don’t ask how, he just will. And nothing made me want to bury my head in the desk more than when someone (usually someone very smart) would try to argue or otherwise persuade him that they had done it. Just don’t, because he will make you look like an ass. The first few weeks of this class will definitely be confusing since he is very much the archetype of a law school professor who never breaks the Socratic method. Keep up with the readings and the briefs and it will start to come together for you. He is certainly hard but if you’re well prepared you should do fine. He generally sticks to cold calling between one to three people for a class, and if he cold calls you but doesn’t finish the reading YOU ARE NOT DONE. He will almost certainly come back to you the next day (there were quite a few embarrassing situations where people were unprepared the next day).

As far as supplements, I brought the E&E about halfway through the course but used it sparingly, mostly just for clarification as I was outlining in a few places (K’s was my best first semester class, and I generally think that for most classes the less you need to use the supplement the better). In sum, although he was difficult and terrifying I’m glad I had him, especially first semester because he definitely kicked my ass into gear and taught me a lot not just about contracts but about how to approach law school.


Norwood

She will probably be the most fun and entertaining of your professors. She has no patience for gunners/section assholes, especially those who just don’t get that they are being disruptive/asking inane questions/etc. Her class moves very fast, but she would send out review slides last year (which were helpful for filling in the many holes in my notes, although note that the review slides were not the full set of slides from the class but somewhat condensed). She seems to be like most torts professors, definitely wants you to spot issues, etc. but also use common sense. I think like most torts classes to be successful you need to a) have good outlines (I always think you should make one yourself even if its from someone else’s) that you’ve pretty much memorized come exam day; and b) have just done lots of practice so you are comfortable jumping right into it.

Konig

A lot of people did not like Konig, but I really had no problem with him as a person although is teaching may have been a little weak, which was mostly I think from poor timing (it seemed like we spent large swaths of class time on small topics and were rushing to cover more important issues). I can’t really give a lot of helpful advice for him since he was my weakest class (which I think was largely in part due to have some weak answers) but I would just say go with the Sprankling book and even though he may say and do a lot of goofy shit don’t lose track of the ball; this is still a law school class and it matters. A lot of your classmates will bitch and moan about him but suck it up, do the work, and try your best. Again, like I said I didn’t really understand the hate (he has a PhD but no JD, so you can obviously guess his teaching style is pretty different, plus this is only his 3rd year teaching a law school class) and I think my struggles in that class were my own fault but just be prepared for anything.

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 Cycle)

Postby Fiero85 » Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:28 pm

scottidsntknow wrote:
Fiero85 wrote:I of course was bored all day and then busy (drinking) when these were released. But I did check my phone and SAW AN URGENT TEXT FROM SCOTTY was happy to see my first C of law school :)

P.S. useless powers are fun


lolz true dat

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 Cycle)

Postby Fiero85 » Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:33 pm

Kinda random, but can we get a pronounciation guide for all of the 1L profs?

It annoys me when people all guess differently when talking about a prof they have yet to meet, and we're bound to bring them up before classes start

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 Cycle)

Postby DoveBodyWash » Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:34 pm

Fiero85 wrote:Kinda random, but can we get a pronounciation guide for all of the 1L profs?

It annoys me when people all guess differently when talking about a prof they have yet to meet, and we're bound to bring them up before classes start

what? who's saying the names differently?

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 Cycle)

Postby Fiero85 » Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:35 pm

cusenation wrote:
Fiero85 wrote:Kinda random, but can we get a pronounciation guide for all of the 1L profs?

It annoys me when people all guess differently when talking about a prof they have yet to meet, and we're bound to bring them up before classes start

what? who's saying the names differently?


I don't know yet, I'm trying to be proactive

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 Cycle)

Postby chuckbass » Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:42 pm

Fiero85 wrote:
cusenation wrote:
Fiero85 wrote:Kinda random, but can we get a pronounciation guide for all of the 1L profs?

It annoys me when people all guess differently when talking about a prof they have yet to meet, and we're bound to bring them up before classes start

what? who's saying the names differently?


I don't know yet, I'm trying to be proactive

I'm hoping you understand how to pronounce "Baker"

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 Cycle)

Postby Fiero85 » Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:49 pm

scottidsntknow wrote:I'm hoping you understand how to pronounce "Baker"


Yeah yeah but not all are so obvious!

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 Cycle)

Postby chuckbass » Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:53 pm

Fiero85 wrote:
scottidsntknow wrote:I'm hoping you understand how to pronounce "Baker"


Yeah yeah but not all are so obvious!

Well for our other two I will defect to cuse.

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 Cycle)

Postby MagicMike80 » Thu Jul 03, 2014 3:03 pm

KONIG

This was my best grade of the year and it came as a total surprise. It doesn't matter if you read or don't read, like the guy or hate the guy, participate or don't participate, this is going to be your most nerve-wracking and frustrating exam to study for because it's unclear if he even knows what he's looking for. I honestly did not even do practice exams because I had no idea what a model answer would look like or how to discuss it with other people in the class. For those of you in section D who also have Tamanaha, get ready to change gears and quickly. Those two professors could not be more polar opposites.

That being said, Konig does tip his hand during the term. He spends 15 minutes going through the facts of each case because he's a historian by blood, and his understanding of property law is that it is very fact specific. So when you're practicing, don't get caught up in the legal principle and perfectly expressing it - the Sprankling version will do. The important part is understanding which facts are critical, and how slight tweaks to them change the entire hypothetical. The tweaking was the difference between people that were median and the people that did exceptionally. Konig wants to hear a bunch of hypotheticals he hasn't even put in the question. If you go off on a tangent about what would happen if people in the problem died, or got divorced, or were crossing their fingers when they made certain promises, you're actually starting to think like him. And may god have mercy on your soul.

Also, general tip, when a professor starts speaking in another language or laughing at his own jokes, take notes.

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 Cycle)

Postby LET'S GET IT » Thu Jul 03, 2014 3:38 pm

Thanks herogothamdeserves and magicmike! Haven't been assigned a section yet, but great info nonetheless.

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 Cycle)

Postby chuckbass » Thu Jul 03, 2014 3:46 pm

Yea thanks for the info on Konig!

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 Cycle)

Postby DecisionTime999 » Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:05 pm

Anyone have helpful comments on Goldwasser? Think that's the only one of my profs that nobody's written a word itt about yet.

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 Cycle)

Postby bostonbrewer » Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:17 pm

Late to the party on all this, but once again Cuse you are the man.

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 Cycle)

Postby sublime » Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:59 pm

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 Cycle)

Postby sublime » Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:05 pm

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 Cycle)

Postby chuckbass » Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:19 pm

sublime wrote:Konig was my worst doctrinal grade, but this is credited. I tried to treat it like a LS exam. Don't.

So, you got an A-? :lol:

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 Cycle)

Postby sublime » Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:21 pm

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 Cycle)

Postby chuckbass » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:16 am

sublime wrote:
scottidsntknow wrote:
sublime wrote:Konig was my worst doctrinal grade, but this is credited. I tried to treat it like a LS exam. Don't.

So, you got an A-? :lol:


I told you the other night what I got. :lol:

;)

Edit: it was funny for the thread to ask

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 Cycle)

Postby Fiero85 » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:42 am

"Funny"

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 Cycle)

Postby chuckbass » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:46 am

Fiero85 wrote:"Funny"

OMG LOOK YOU HAVE OVER 1000 POSTS!

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 Cycle)

Postby Fiero85 » Fri Jul 04, 2014 1:07 am

Nice I had forgotten all about how close I was haha

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 Cycle)

Postby chuckbass » Fri Jul 04, 2014 1:13 am

Fiero85 wrote:Nice I had forgotten all about how close I was haha

Only 1,497 posts until you get the golden poop congrats.

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 Cycle)

Postby Fiero85 » Fri Jul 04, 2014 1:15 am

A bro can only dream of such things for now

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 Cycle)

Postby Fiero85 » Fri Jul 04, 2014 1:23 am

Fiero85 wrote:Image

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#300

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Nice try nick and devils

:P


Way late on this but updated for posterity. Yeah 300 pages!

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Re: WUSTL c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 Cycle)

Postby winemeup » Fri Jul 04, 2014 1:26 am

I'm kind of bored now that everyone is over posting what section they're in. When do you all get to STL? Also, is the 2017 accepted group the only facebook group?




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