scottidsntknow wrote: mes10d wrote:
scottidsntknow wrote:What question do you have about NYC biglaw? I was probably who you were referencing.
cusenation wrote:what's your question
I guess the very stereotypical how realistic is it to get NY BigLaw from WUSTL/what needs to be done, should be expected, etc. just a general Q about the WUSTL/NY BigLaw connection, thanks!
As 0L, I defer to Cuse.
To preface this, if you want the list of the New York employers that recruited from WUSTL from last year's off-campus NYC program or our OCI, then PM me.
NYC is the hardest and easiest market to break into.
Hardest because you need the grades. Like many of our peers we operate on a pre-select system. So you submit your resume to the NY program or OCI and the employers review them and pre-select the candidates that they want to interview. Yes softs matter (e.g. law review, leadership, summer experience) but getting a screener interview is largely about your grades.
Once you have a screener, it's up to you to win them over during the interview. (As is the same in any firm interview in any city from any law school)
It's the easiest because you don't need ties to NYC. It's probably the only market that really does not care about "why you want to stay in NYC"
To answer your specific questions,
What needs to be done: You need top grades. Definitely top third, top 20% is probably more secure. My 2L mentors said that everyone who was top 20% and participated in the NYC program got several screeners.
Should be expected: Not sure what this was asking. But if you mean what you should expect as a student, then you should expect to have a hard time if you don't have top third grades and have trouble being personable in an interview. But that's true from anywhere.
As far as which firms hire us, it's small in number but the quality of the firms are top notch. We send people to firms like Clearly, Cravath, SimpsonThatcher, Shearman, etc... But none of those firms are hiring like 10 WUSTL kids at once. This isn't CLS or NYU. We have a small class size, so only like 30-40 kids are even "eligible" to get NYC screeners. Divide that number up by all the employers, then it'll end up being like 1-2 kids at most going to each firm.
But also remember that most people don't come to WUSTL wanting NYC. Demographically the people that come here are more likely to want Chicago or other Midwestern markets, or the South. A lot of my classmates are i-want-have-a-personal-life-outside-of-work kind of people. So NYC doesn't really appeal to them as much. And then also consider that the people who are most likely to get the top grades necessary to get NYC are also the kids who came to WUSTL on a large scholarship despite having T14 options. These are the people that turned down the prestige, and are therefore less likely to be gunning for Vault NYC firms just in terms of their personality. Cost/debt conscious people who want to maximize their buying power and care less about prestige generally don't pursue NYC too passionately. Ultimately there's a limited number of people who even want NYC, and then that number is further reduced by the grade cutoffs.
So if you want NYC and you do well here, then you will have opportunities. I'm not sure what else to tell you unless you want specific details about which firms we send people to. If that's what you wanna know then feel free to PM me.
The real issue if you want NYC BigLaw is how to get the best grades possible. And it's probably too early to be thinking about that.