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Re: Columbia c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby californiauser » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:08 pm

abdistotle wrote:
BrianG wrote:went to the info session today. FWIW, the woman speaking seemed to suggest that they were looking at RD apps now and that the rest of the ED decisions should be going out within the next week or two.


BrainG you seem like a good guy but this update is really not worth much. If decisions come out two weeks from now, it is essentially just Columbia holding itself to it's own terms, by offering ED applicants a decision by late December. If the decisions have already been made to the point that they're looking at RD applicants, only my cynical side can think of a few weak reasons why they would wait to release them. It simply doesn't make sense for them to wait if they respect their peer schools.


Why would they wait to release ED decisions, what's the incentive?

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Re: Columbia c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby BrianG » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:22 pm

abdistotle wrote:
BrianG wrote:went to the info session today. FWIW, the woman speaking seemed to suggest that they were looking at RD apps now and that the rest of the ED decisions should be going out within the next week or two.


BrainG you seem like a good guy but this update is really not worth much. If decisions come out two weeks from now, it is essentially just Columbia holding itself to it's own terms, by offering ED applicants a decision by late December. If the decisions have already been made to the point that they're looking at RD applicants, only my cynical side can think of a few weak reasons why they would wait to release them. It simply doesn't make sense for them to wait if they respect their peer schools.


Considering that last year, Columbia was still sending out ED decisions in early January, I just thought I'd pass along the word that they don't seem to be behind this year.

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Re: Columbia c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby 05062014 » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:29 pm

That's odd that decisions were sent out in early January. Anyways, I just don't think they're waiting to send out ED decisions already made. If anything the ED applicant pool must still be a work in progress for the adcoms of Columbia university. RD applicants are probably getting checked out also, like you said, to help them finish their initial work of handling ED decisions

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Re: Columbia c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby Robert_Bert » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:12 am

BrianG wrote:
abdistotle wrote:
BrianG wrote:went to the info session today. FWIW, the woman speaking seemed to suggest that they were looking at RD apps now and that the rest of the ED decisions should be going out within the next week or two.


BrainG you seem like a good guy but this update is really not worth much. If decisions come out two weeks from now, it is essentially just Columbia holding itself to it's own terms, by offering ED applicants a decision by late December. If the decisions have already been made to the point that they're looking at RD applicants, only my cynical side can think of a few weak reasons why they would wait to release them. It simply doesn't make sense for them to wait if they respect their peer schools.


Considering that last year, Columbia was still sending out ED decisions in early January, I just thought I'd pass along the word that they don't seem to be behind this year.


It's a worthwhile update-- although in the end, it probably doesn't mean much. If anything, hopefully none of us will have to wait until January for decisions. Other than that, I don't think they're witholding handing out ED decisions...still going with Thursday...

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Re: Columbia c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby ShrimpToastMasters » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:25 am

I'm frustrated that the CLS status checker doesn't have dates.

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Re: Columbia c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby goldgirl786 » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:27 am

It's a worthwhile update-- although in the end, it probably doesn't mean much. If anything, hopefully none of us will have to wait until January for decisions. Other than that, I don't think they're witholding handing out ED decisions...still going with Thursday...[/quote]

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Re: Columbia c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby 04102014 » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:28 am

Well, I for one appreciate the information. Thanks BrianG.

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Re: Columbia c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby corporatebarbarian » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:59 am

So what exactly was the point of applying early decision? Applied to Duke/NYU RD at the same time (Nov. 15) and have heard back from both already.

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Re: Columbia c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby lawschool22 » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:00 pm

corporatebarbarian wrote:So what exactly was the point of applying early decision? Applied to Duke/NYU RD at the same time (Nov. 15) and have heard back from both already.


Presumably to increase your chances of acceptance if your numbers wouldn't have done it on their own.

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Re: Columbia c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby midwest17 » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:06 pm

lawschool22 wrote:
corporatebarbarian wrote:So what exactly was the point of applying early decision? Applied to Duke/NYU RD at the same time (Nov. 15) and have heard back from both already.


Presumably to increase your chances of acceptance if your numbers wouldn't have done it on their own.


Yeah. Applying ED for the sake of actually hearing back sooner is not the right choice...

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Re: Columbia c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby lawschool22 » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:24 pm

midwest17 wrote:
lawschool22 wrote:
corporatebarbarian wrote:So what exactly was the point of applying early decision? Applied to Duke/NYU RD at the same time (Nov. 15) and have heard back from both already.


Presumably to increase your chances of acceptance if your numbers wouldn't have done it on their own.


Yeah. Applying ED for the sake of actually hearing back sooner is not the right choice...


Yeah, OP if you could have been accepted on numbers alone this was probably not a good move.

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Re: Columbia c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby 05062014 » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:37 pm

Can anyone think of good reasons why ED applicants are hearing back later rather than sooner ?

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Re: Columbia c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby lawschool22 » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:38 pm

abdistotle wrote:Can anyone think of good reasons why ED applicants are hearing back later rather than sooner ?


They know you have to accept, so they want to get to their RD applicants for competition related reasons?

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Re: Columbia c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby 05062014 » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:41 pm

lawschool22 wrote:
abdistotle wrote:Can anyone think of good reasons why ED applicants are hearing back later rather than sooner ?


They know you have to accept, so they want to get to their RD applicants for competition related reasons?


+1... But dont they care about the yield rates of peer schools ?

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Re: Columbia c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby lawschool22 » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:53 pm

abdistotle wrote:
lawschool22 wrote:
abdistotle wrote:Can anyone think of good reasons why ED applicants are hearing back later rather than sooner ?


They know you have to accept, so they want to get to their RD applicants for competition related reasons?


+1... But dont they care about the yield rates of peer schools ?


I don't think I fully follow your question

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Re: Columbia c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby californiauser » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:57 pm

Does anyone have any idea how many ED applicants Columbia receives annually?

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Re: Columbia c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby ShrimpToastMasters » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:58 pm

lawschool22 wrote:
abdistotle wrote:
lawschool22 wrote:
abdistotle wrote:Can anyone think of good reasons why ED applicants are hearing back later rather than sooner ?


They know you have to accept, so they want to get to their RD applicants for competition related reasons?


+1... But dont they care about the yield rates of peer schools ?


I don't think I fully follow your question


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Re: Columbia c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby gbelle » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:01 pm

californiauser wrote:Does anyone have any idea how many ED applicants Columbia receives annually?


No, but if you assume that the document on here is an accurate sample of the full application cohort, you could use the # ED and # RD and compare it to the total applicant # (this info is public). You might be able to draw some sort of conclusions....

I considered doing this with the NYU numbers...

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Re: Columbia c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby 05062014 » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:06 pm

ShrimpToastMasters wrote:
lawschool22 wrote:
I don't think I fully follow your question


+1


By waiting longer to accept certain people, those people can be accepted elsewhere and be forced to turn down that offer lowering the yield rate of peer school. I am not sure if yield is affected although I think it is

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Re: Columbia c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby ShrimpToastMasters » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:27 pm

abdistotle wrote:
ShrimpToastMasters wrote:
lawschool22 wrote:
I don't think I fully follow your question


+1


By waiting longer to accept certain people, those people can be accepted elsewhere and be forced to turn down that offer lowering the yield rate of peer school. I am not sure if yield is affected although I think it is


I think this may be a moot point since few applicants will choose to commit to a school as soon as they hear a decision; most will wait until they have received all decisions/financial aid before committing. In that case, it doesn't really matter if Columbia send out decisions now, or in February.

A good example of how late decisions don't affect yield is Yale.

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Re: Columbia c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby 05062014 » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:31 pm

ShrimpToastMasters wrote:
abdistotle wrote:
ShrimpToastMasters wrote:
lawschool22 wrote:
I don't think I fully follow your question


+1


By waiting longer to accept certain people, those people can be accepted elsewhere and be forced to turn down that offer lowering the yield rate of peer school. I am not sure if yield is affected although I think it is


I think this may be a moot point since few applicants will choose to commit to a school as soon as they hear a decision; most will wait until they have received all decisions/financial aid before committing. In that case, it doesn't really matter if Columbia send out decisions now, or in February.

A good example of how late decisions don't affect yield is Yale.


I'm taking about people bound to a school. Once an acceptance is offered and a student cannot matriculate to that school B due to being bound at school A, is the yield not impacted no matter what? With Yale and other late decisions ur talking about , no one is bound to attending so it's not the same thing.

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Re: Columbia c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby ShrimpToastMasters » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:34 pm

abdistotle wrote:I'm taking about people bound to a school. Once an acceptance is offered and a student cannot matriculate to that school B due to being bound at school A, is the yield not impacted no matter what? With Yale and other late decisions ur talking about , no one is bound to attending so it's not the same thing.


So maybe Columbia is holding off on ED decisions to hurt their peer schools' yields? I guess that's possible.

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Re: Columbia c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby 05062014 » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:38 pm

ShrimpToastMasters wrote:
abdistotle wrote:I'm taking about people bound to a school. Once an acceptance is offered and a student cannot matriculate to that school B due to being bound at school A, is the yield not impacted no matter what? With Yale and other late decisions ur talking about , no one is bound to attending so it's not the same thing.


So maybe Columbia is holding off on ED decisions to hurt their peer schools' yields? I guess that's possible.


I don't think it's likely though. Not enough ED apps to make a big difference. I really think they are just looking to see more of the crop before taking ED applicants. It may hurt some yields slightly but it's certainly not a significant motivator - at least, I'd like to think so

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Re: Columbia c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby californiauser » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:42 pm

abdistotle wrote:
ShrimpToastMasters wrote:
abdistotle wrote:I'm taking about people bound to a school. Once an acceptance is offered and a student cannot matriculate to that school B due to being bound at school A, is the yield not impacted no matter what? With Yale and other late decisions ur talking about , no one is bound to attending so it's not the same thing.


So maybe Columbia is holding off on ED decisions to hurt their peer schools' yields? I guess that's possible.


I don't think it's likely though. Not enough ED apps to make a big difference. I really think they are just looking to see more of the crop before taking ED applicants. It may hurt some yields slightly but it's certainly not a significant motivator - at least, I'd like to think so


This seems kind of ridiculous. I thought the top schools were mostly immune from the swings in the number of applicants. Shouldn't they be able to tell from previous years what qualifies one to be an ED admit?

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Re: Columbia c/o 2017 Applicants (2013-2014 cycle)

Postby 04102014 » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:51 pm

californiauser wrote:
abdistotle wrote:
ShrimpToastMasters wrote:
abdistotle wrote:I'm taking about people bound to a school. Once an acceptance is offered and a student cannot matriculate to that school B due to being bound at school A, is the yield not impacted no matter what? With Yale and other late decisions ur talking about , no one is bound to attending so it's not the same thing.


So maybe Columbia is holding off on ED decisions to hurt their peer schools' yields? I guess that's possible.


I don't think it's likely though. Not enough ED apps to make a big difference. I really think they are just looking to see more of the crop before taking ED applicants. It may hurt some yields slightly but it's certainly not a significant motivator - at least, I'd like to think so


This seems kind of ridiculous. I thought the top schools were mostly immune from the swings in the number of applicants. Shouldn't they be able to tell from previous years what qualifies one to be an ED admit?


I would say definitely not, particularly after this past cycle.




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