Beating the odds: Columbia Reserve c/o 2016 Forum

[jbagelboy]

That's 8 out of 10 reserve admits who are splitters, including The Bean (who has a 3.55 at HYP, which probably compares favorably to 3.7 elsewhere), plus a 3.75/171 Ivy, plus Rosie who seems to have special softs.

Pretty sure we're down to the last handful or so of acceptances, but as noted, a spot just opened up today.

do you think it really goes spot for spot like that? I mean, if they calculate that the medians are hit, they can prolly chill after a certain point. I'm guessing they were light on LSAT after the first few rounds of RD admits, hence the splitter flood

also it seems from the FB group that CLS definitely prejudices UG pedigree.

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

I presume the part of the cycle where they admit for medians is done and that they're basically just taking whoever they actually want now. My guess is that the admissions office is given a target for each class, give or take a handful. So no, I doubt it goes spot for spot. But everyone ITT could probably use a little optimism.

also it seems from the FB group that CLS definitely prejudices UG pedigree.

True story. Haven't seen that much Ivy since my last trip to Wrigley Field.

PSA: Light musing of the Facebook group--probably about 75% of the class went to a top 50 undergrad, including probably 25% Ivy. UG reputation may play a bigger role than we once thought.

[bailey8078]

also it seems from the FB group that CLS definitely prejudices UG pedigree.

True story. Haven't seen that much Ivy since my last trip to Wrigley Field.

PSA: Light musing of the Facebook group--probably about 75% of the class went to a top 50 undergrad, including probably 25% Ivy. UG reputation may play a bigger role than we once thought.

Or kids that went to those schools get higher LSATs (isn't this demonstrated by LSAT median by school?)

[StillIll]

<--- inc public state school kid

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

also it seems from the FB group that CLS definitely prejudices UG pedigree.

True story. Haven't seen that much Ivy since my last trip to Wrigley Field.

PSA: Light musing of the Facebook group--probably about 75% of the class went to a top 50 undergrad, including probably 25% Ivy. UG reputation may play a bigger role than we once thought.

Or kids that went to those schools get higher LSATs (isn't this demonstrated by LSAT median by school?)

Yes, but the difference isn't so pronounced that it would account for quite that much of a discrepancy. Ivies average around a 165. I went to a pretty decently-ranked public school that averaged a 160.

To have nine schools (throwing in Stanford, who has at least five representatives) dominate so heavily suggests UG strength is accounted for somewhat significantly. Even at UVA, the top two Virginia schools (UVA and W&M) only combined for 33 representatives last year, keeping in mind both of those schools are two-thirds VA residents and UVA has to take 140 residents.

[jbagelboy]

also it seems from the FB group that CLS definitely prejudices UG pedigree.

True story. Haven't seen that much Ivy since my last trip to Wrigley Field.

PSA: Light musing of the Facebook group--probably about 75% of the class went to a top 50 undergrad, including probably 25% Ivy. UG reputation may play a bigger role than we once thought.

Or kids that went to those schools get higher LSATs (isn't this demonstrated by LSAT median by school?)

Yes, but the difference isn't so pronounced that it would account for quite that much of a discrepancy. Ivies average around a 165. I went to a pretty decently-ranked public school that averaged a 160.

To have nine schools (throwing in Stanford, who has at least five representatives) dominate so heavily suggests UG strength is accounted for somewhat significantly. Even at UVA, the top two Virginia schools (UVA and W&M) only combined for 33 representatives last year, keeping in mind both of those schools are two-thirds VA residents and UVA has to take 140 residents.

Yea -- my UG averaged 165/166 (back when my prelaw adviser showed me the data a while back) depending on which year you took. alumns tended to score higher than current seniors, if I recall. Not that many 160's going to CLS tho. so it has to be more than a strictly correlative effect

[chadbrochill]

THAT SPLITTER LOVE

A 170/3.93 who was deposited at CLS just got in at Harvard--might be some additional hope for sort of reverse splitters. (Unfortunately most high LSAT admits were NYU deposited, to my chagrin.)

Yea I watch this thread for the sole purpose of monitoring NYU vacancies

[shakespeare]

Just withdrew from the reserve. Good luck all!

[The Bean]

On the question of whether schools give much of a bump to more selective undergrads, there's this:

http://ucs.yalecollege.yale.edu/sites/d ... istics.pdf

I'd assume the same preferences for H and P. It looks to me like some schools show the Ivy love a little more than others, but also that kids coming out of those schools are gonna be getting high LSATs since they had to do well on standardized tests to get into HYP in the first place. Oddly, the seniors in that chart did better than the alums.

As for the deferring thing, that's strange, because I was specifically asked if I was prepared to start in the fall since they don't offer deferrals off the wait list. (Not that it applied to me, I am DEFINITELY ready to start law school).

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

Averages of Columbia matriculants from Yale: 3.64/169. So yeah, there's clearly preference being given at CLS that isn't being given at other schools. Nowhere else are the Yale matriculants so out of line from the medians.

Side note: 44 UChi admits and ZERO matriculants? Average admit was a 3.77/173, so there's clearly a bunch of money there. Blatant prestige whoring, you closet homosexuals who do a lot of cocaine.

Edit: List of average LSATs by undergraduate institution linked here. Data is from five years ago and averages are up by a couple points everywhere, as far as I can tell.

[JuniperCreekEsq]

Averages of Columbia matriculants from Yale: 3.64/169. So yeah, there's clearly preference being given at CLS that isn't being given at other schools. Nowhere else are the Yale matriculants so out of line from the medians.

Side note: 44 UChi admits and ZERO matriculants? Average admit was a 3.77/173, so there's clearly a bunch of money there. Blatant prestige whoring, you closet homosexuals who do a lot of cocaine.

'Cool it with the steroids, dude'

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

Also, data that may be useful after looking at my CAS report. My school had an average LSAT of 161, and the distribution is somewhat normal, but has a distinct left skew (so the median would be higher than the average). Standard deviation of about eight points. 25-75% about 154-166. A 10-90 would be about 149-169.

Guessing the LSAT distribution at other schools looks relatively similar. Still standing by the idea that there's good, solid evidence CLS gives a "strong UG" boost maybe more than any other T14.

[JuniperCreekEsq]

Can someone PM me or post the 2012 CLS WL thread? Thanks!

[sinfiery]

Very updated avg UG LSAT based on school reports

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv? ... DNSbUNtZ1E



That 152/3.2 doesn't help I guess for me

[The Bean]

I think H and Y LS give a bit of a bump to the HY (maybe P) crowd as well (not that it was enough to help me :/ There was an article in the YDN awhile back that 25% of YLS was from H or Y undergrad. 29 just from YC at YLS is pretty much considering the small class. Meanwhile, southern schools are less impressed.

@Mono, yeah that 167 average is pretty impressive considering all the brain damage that must result.

[lunaraeon]

Can someone PM me or post the 2012 CLS WL thread? Thanks!

They didn't have a separate one, just scan forward from the 2012 thread.

[scoutmaster]

Okay. I still haven't heard anything. First reserve is supposed to get something before the end of June correct? At least some indication?

[untar614]

Tekrul
Rosie (GPA 3.71-3.83, LSAT <172)
Buddyboy (3.5/176)
Me (3.45/176)
The Bean (3.55/172)
Lurkasaurus (3.2/176)
StillIll
narbyk (LSN) (3.75/171)
ksw47 (LSN) (3.18/178)
Lawgirl56 (LSN) (3.29/174)

Either the reserve is not as much a dead end as it was in the past, or they have fewer than four acceptances left in the cycle.

This is pretty solid. TLS is proving strong on the CLS Reserve.

[syd625]

Okay. I still haven't heard anything. First reserve is supposed to get something before the end of June correct? At least some indication?

I haven't either. I called earlier this week, and they said that a decision should be made on my file by the end of this week.

[JuniperCreekEsq]

Okay. I still haven't heard anything. First reserve is supposed to get something before the end of June correct? At least some indication?

You do mean first and not second, correct? Have you not received any word since the initial WL decision (e.g. no second reserve update)?

[scoutmaster]

Okay. I still haven't heard anything. First reserve is supposed to get something before the end of June correct? At least some indication?

You do mean first and not second, correct? Have you not received any word since the initial WL decision (e.g. no second reserve update)?

Yes no word at all. Radio silence. I really hope there will be a URM wave soon.

[JuniperCreekEsq]

Okay. I still haven't heard anything. First reserve is supposed to get something before the end of June correct? At least some indication?

You do mean first and not second, correct? Have you not received any word since the initial WL decision (e.g. no second reserve update)?

Yes no word at all. Radio silence. I really hope there will be a URM wave soon.

Craziness... I haven't heard from U Chicago since the first week of May. Good luck

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

I think H and Y LS give a bit of a bump to the HY (maybe P) crowd as well (not that it was enough to help me :/ There was an article in the YDN awhile back that 25% of YLS was from H or Y undergrad. 29 just from YC at YLS is pretty much considering the small class. Meanwhile, southern schools are less impressed.

@Mono, yeah that 167 average is pretty impressive considering all the brain damage that must result.

The data in that PDF seems to suggest Yale students mostly attend HYSC (76/133 = 57%). That struck me as high, so I decided to poke around on firm websites which can be searched by undergrad. Interesting results.

Number of Yale undergrads going to HYSC by firm (associates only):

Skadden: 5/23 (22%)
Cleary: 13/20 (65%)
Latham: 10/30 (33%)

Total V10: 28/73 (38%)

V10 is presumably more biased toward HYSC. Willing to bet the figure is lower for lower-ranked firms. Something weird is going on, unless you're suggesting that going to HYSC makes Yale students less likely to land top jobs. Anyone have any ideas?

[vzapana]

The data in that PDF seems to suggest Yale students mostly attend HYSC (76/133 = 57%).

You're assuming that the stars in the chart mean zero. What they could also mean is that the school decided not to report that particular datum.

Also, there were 86, not 76, Yale kids who matriculated to HYSC.

There were 239 law school applicants from Yale. Yes, some of them would have decided not to matriculate to a law school. But it's the better number to use than 133, which I assume is the total number of matriculants listed on the chart (minus the stars). 86/239 = 36%. So the percentage of Yale students who attend HYSC is closer to 36% than to 57%, I think. Still a high percentage, but not as high as you suggest.

[The Bean]

Maybe the type that gets into HYS Law are more likely to choose academia or public interest while the less intellectual just want to be corporate drones?

I looked at the hard copies from 2009 and 2011 I had in a misc law school folder, and they had a lot less asterisks then. You had a lot of schools getting 3 or 6 Yalies that in the '12 sheet get an asterisk. Could mean in light of the law school bubble thing, they are figuring go big or go home, or they had a hard time getting data this year.

Other interesting facts from those sheets: In '09 and '11, Columbia took 20 and 23 Yalies respectively from 211 and 195 applicants. There were WAY more applicants across the board in 2009 compared to now. 228 applied to Harvard and 200 applied to NYU for instance. This fits the trend of less applicants in the higher LSAT over the last couple of years.

Basically you should all pat yourselves on the back for applying during a weak cycle.