Harvard Waitlist 2013 Forum

[helix23]

so how bout dem yankees

[trojandave]

so how bout dem yankees

That's CLS/NYU talk, homie.

[Lavitz]

Booooo.





This is probably why I got waitlisted.

But I guess if last time you saw 27 and there was a wave, a small wave is possible. I guess it's also possible that a few JS1s went out and no one reported on TLS.

Yeah, but I think they also added more slots to the week after that when they did that wave. So like I said, there probably won't be another wave unless they also plan on doing interviews the week of the 20th. I don't think they'd send out something like 15 JS1s and give them only 24 possible times before making decisions.

[helix23]

so how bout dem yankees

That's CLS/NYU talk, homie.

this JS2 wait leaves me no other choice

[Lavitz]

That's CLS/NYU talk, homie.

Actually, wait. How come Cornell is left out of this?

From their admitted students page:

By the time our students graduate they have often dined at the homes of faculty members, worked closely on an academic project with a faculty member or discussed in detail the upcoming season of the New York Yankees or Mets with a faculty member who is also a rabid Yankee or Mets fan.

[trojandave]

this JS2 wait leaves me no other choice

What about the World Series you just won??

Actually, wait. How come Cornell is left out of this?
From their admitted students page:

By the time our students graduate they have often dined at the homes of faculty members, worked closely on an academic project with a faculty member or discussed in detail the upcoming season of the New York Yankees or Mets with a faculty member who is also a rabid Yankee or Mets fan.

I almost included Cornell but figured you're stuck in Toronto territory

But if we're gonna be honest here, the American League isn't even real baseball.

[Lavitz]

I almost included Cornell but figured you're stuck in Toronto territory

But if we're gonna be honest here, the American League isn't even real baseball.

Ithaca is pretty much equidistant from both Toronto and the Bronx. And since we're in New York State, obviously we should be associated with the New York teams, not the team from another country.

And explain yourself. Is this about the DH thing?

[eph]

Ithica is Bison territory and as they are the Triple-A farm team of the Blue Jays...Toronto it is.

[Lavitz]

Ithica is Bison territory and as they are the Triple-A farm team of the Blue Jays...Toronto it is.

Proximity to the nearest minor league team is irrelevant.

[trojandave]

I almost included Cornell but figured you're stuck in Toronto territory

But if we're gonna be honest here, the American League isn't even real baseball.

Ithaca is pretty much equidistant from both Toronto and the Bronx. And since we're in New York State, obviously we should be associated with the New York teams, not the team from another country.

And explain yourself. Is this about the DH thing?

Exactly - 9 positions and 9 players. Having a pitcher in the lineup adds so much strategy on both sides of the ball that you lose with a DH. It influences how you substitute, pitch to certain players / spots in the lineup, and makes the occasional pitcher who can hit that much more of a commodity.

[Lavitz]

Exactly - 9 positions and 9 players. Having a pitcher in the lineup adds so much strategy on both sides of the ball that you lose with a DH. It influences how you substitute, pitch to certain players / spots in the lineup, and makes the occasional pitcher who can hit that much more of a commodity.

Even if I accepted all of that as true and admitted that the National League rules enhance strategical possibilities, why should I accept the premise that having 9 positions and 9 players makes the difference between "real" baseball and "fake" baseball?

Why should a game that emphasizes strategical opportunity be considered "real" baseball while a game that emphasizes division of labor and allowing players who can still hit but are no longer efficient in the field the opportunity to participate be considered "fake" baseball?

I believe the games share enough in common (hitting an identical ball with a bat, 9 identical positions, 3 bases and a home plate, 3 strikes for an out, 4 balls for a walk, etc.) that any reasonable observer would agree that they could be referred to with the same blanket term.

So you would have to argue that this 9-player, 9-position rule should be a defining feature of baseball in order for me to agree with you the only the National League is "real."

Plus our DH was MVP in the 2009 World Series.

[trojandave]

Exactly - 9 positions and 9 players. Having a pitcher in the lineup adds so much strategy on both sides of the ball that you lose with a DH. It influences how you substitute, pitch to certain players / spots in the lineup, and makes the occasional pitcher who can hit that much more of a commodity.

Even if I accepted all of that as true and admitted that the National League rules enhance strategical possibilities, why should I accept the premise that having 9 positions and 9 players makes the difference between "real" baseball and "fake" baseball?

Why should a game that emphasizes strategical opportunity be considered "real" baseball while a game that emphasizes division of labor and allowing players who can still hit but are no longer efficient in the field the opportunity to participate be considered "fake" baseball?

I believe the games share enough in common (hitting a ball with a bat, 9 identical positions, 3 bases and a home plate, 3 strikes for an out, 4 balls for a walk, etc.) that any reasonable observer would agree that they could be referred to with the same blanket term.

So you would have to argue that this 9-player, 9-position rule should be a defining feature of baseball in order for me to agree with you the only the National League is "real."

Plus our DH was MVP in the 2010 World Series.

No, you can't say one is "real" and another isn't, but let's not get all law-student on word choice, here - I'm speaking colloquially. (Though I can say the NL is "original" and "traditional", and as such, the NL is the basis of "authentic" / "real". The only question now is how far can we deviate before we're no longer 'real'?)

You want to make room for 1 deviation at the pitcher's spot? That's fine. But what about 2? What if I want a defensive short stop playing the field but a better bat in the lineup? Or what about 3 deviations? What about full-on football rules where you have entirely separate defenses and offenses? It's a gray area of where you draw the line, and I personally prefer the strategy and tradition of the original rules. How far we can deviate isn't really a discussion I wanted to start though, I'm just saying NL is, in my opinion, a better product. But I'm also a Cincinnati Reds fan, so I don't always make the smartest choices.

Anyway, can HLS give us something better to talk about soon? This is the coolest thread on TLS at the moment and I want you guys admitted asap

[Lavitz]

No, you can't say one is "real" and another isn't, but let's not get all law-student on word choice, here - I'm speaking colloquially. (Though I can say the NL is "original" and "traditional", and as such, the NL is the basis of "authentic" / "real". The only question now is how far can we deviate before we're no longer 'real'?)

You want to make room for 1 deviation at the pitcher's spot? That's fine. But what about 2? What if I want a defensive short stop playing the field but a better bat in the lineup? Or what about 3 deviations? What about full-on football rules where you have entirely separate defenses and offenses? It's a gray area of where you draw the line, and I personally prefer the strategy and tradition of the original rules. How far we can deviate isn't really a discussion I wanted to start though, I'm just saying NL is, in my opinion, a better product. But I'm also a Cincinnati Reds fan, so I don't always make the smartest choices.

Anyway, can HLS give us something better to talk about soon? This is the coolest thread on TLS at the moment and I want you guys admitted asap

My entire argument depends on getting "law-student" on word choice

You did well to identify the "original rules = authentic = real" argument. I expected you to follow up with a softball analogy, but your deviations argument sufficed.

I give you a B+.

We got some good exam practice in.

[TripTrip]

You did well to identify the "original rules = authentic = real" argument. I expected you to follow up with a softball analogy, but your deviations argument sufficed.

Something something something UVA.

[jbagelboy]

You did well to identify the "original rules = authentic = real" argument. I expected you to follow up with a softball analogy, but your deviations argument sufficed.

Something something something UVA.

I dig the new 'tar.

[digifly]

[trojandave]

[toothbrush]

atleast end of next week. at least.

[TripTrip]

atleast end of next week. at least.

Nah. It'll start on a Monday. Either the 13th or the 20th.

[toothbrush]

atleast end of next week. at least.

Nah. It'll start on a Monday. Either the 13th or the 20th.

Why ? Did regular js1's go out on Mondays ?

[TripTrip]

atleast end of next week. at least.

Nah. It'll start on a Monday. Either the 13th or the 20th.

Why ? Did regular js1's go out on Mondays ?

There are JS1s scheduled Tuesday through Friday next week, so if JS2s were going to happen they would probably be on Monday.

The week after is just speculation, but if it's not Monday 5/13 it won't be until sometime the week of the 20th.

[eyfl]

atleast end of next week. at least.

Nah. It'll start on a Monday. Either the 13th or the 20th.

Why ? Did regular js1's go out on Mondays ?

There are JS1s scheduled Tuesday through Friday next week, so if JS2s were going to happen they would probably be on Monday.

The week after is just speculation, but if it's not Monday 5/13 it won't be until sometime the week of the 20th.

So you say it's just 2 more days of waiting?!

Is there someone neurotic enough to check the days of post-WL JS2s in the last few years? If it's the same day then we know when to expect 'em this year, if days are different I'd assume it's same as last year.

[TripTrip]

Is there someone neurotic enough to check the days of post-WL JS2s in the last few years?

These are the first reports of post-WL JS2s. Disclaimer: you will be severely disheartened if you click.

[eyfl]

Is there someone neurotic enough to check the days of post-WL JS2s in the last few years?

These are the first reports of post-WL JS2s. Disclaimer: you will be severely disheartened if you click.

Not sure why you thought I'd be disheartened; because JS2s started only in June? But that was first year for JS (who claimed this cycle will be more similar to 2011 where first reported post-WL JR2 came on May 9th!) so for all we know the calls are right around the corner.

Anyway, last year it was Thursday while in 2011 in was Monday, also Monday for 2010 (May 11th). My money's on some action on Monday, May 13th this year.

[TripTrip]

Is there someone neurotic enough to check the days of post-WL JS2s in the last few years?

These are the first reports of post-WL JS2s. Disclaimer: you will be severely disheartened if you click.

Not sure why you thought I'd be disheartened; because JS2s started only in June? But that was first year for JS (who claimed this cycle will be more similar to 2011 where first reported post-WL JR2 came on May 9th!) so for all we know the calls are right around the corner.

Anyway, last year it was Thursday while in 2011 in was Monday, also Monday for 2010 (May 11th). My money's on some action on Monday, May 13th this year.

Yeah, I don't think last year is representative (I certainly don't think the first wave will be in late June), but then I'm not sure any year really is representative.

I like your Monday find though.